Brian Dozier Is Not Ready

[diehardtwinsfan]

of all the pieces of consternation, I'm not sure why this is here. Like Pig said, AAA, MN, it doesn't matter. The kid needs to play every day. As well, there are a few decent MI prospects sitting with the 2014/15 teams that will likely bump Dozier during his expensive years, as such, let him play. If he turns into a star, he blocks those kids, otherwise, he becomes some nice trade bait. '

 

This season is lost, so why people are worried about Brian is beyond me. They have to give him a look. My greater concern is that they are letting Parmalee wither on the bench. That kid needs to play every day too, and quite frankly, I could care less whether it's in MN or in Rochester... My other concern is that there's so little decent starting pitching in this organization to help with the next wave... not a good place to be in.

[Bark's Lounge]

My greater concern is that they are letting Parmalee wither on the bench. That kid needs to play every day too, and quite frankly, I could care less whether it's in MN or in Rochester...

Parmelee must have broke some kind of organizational rule when he was is Rochester. His call up seems more like a punishment than a reward for good performance at AAA - he never plays. All the batting problems that he righted in AAA are probably down the ****ter because of his non existent appearances on the field of play... what a shame.

[TheLeviathan]

My head is spinning... So much to respond to in this thread.

 

1. Sending Revere down to AAA did not produce the Ben Revere we are seeing now. Ben puts the ball in play and is freeky fast. That's why he hits over .300 all the time.

Ben did some work with the AAA hitting coach and watched some film while he was sent down which he has attributed to making better contact and increasing his ability to hit line-drives. He worked on that in AAA, came back up, and was able to deliver similar results so far. I guess you can make stuff up or defer to the player.

 

Sometimes if a player needs to work on something or improve their approach it helps to do that against the Jeff Manships of the world rather than Chris Sale.

[Riverbrian]

Ben did some work with the AAA hitting coach and watched some film while he was sent down which he has attributed to making better contact and increasing his ability to hit line-drives. He worked on that in AAA, came back up, and was able to deliver similar results so far. I guess you can make stuff up or defer to the player.

 

Sometimes if a player needs to work on something or improve their approach it helps to do that against the Jeff Manships of the world rather than Chris Sale.

Seriously... Are you under the impression that I believe Ben Revere went down to AAA had a snickers bar and Played X-box in his hotel room until game time. They watch film in the big leagues as well. No need to go to Rochester for that. I'm sure that Bruno helped and I'm sure Vavra would have been there for him as well. (although the Vavra bashers are lining up for a piece of me now).

 

He adjusted his hands higher and this got him in the load position quicker. BTW... It was Ben who spotted it on film... Not Bruno. However, even with his hands low... He still made incredible contact and was still freeky fast and he consistently hits over .300 at every level with the only exception being his rookie year last year. And ladies and gentlemen... That was his first taste of consistently facing the Chris Sales of the world.

 

I'm intrigued... You have my attention... I'm always willing to learn from the masters. Please go on and explain how his 101 PA in AAA and one extra base hit transformed him into the beautiful MLB swan today.

[Seth Stohs]

I'm a huge believer in Dozier... When he was called up, I was clamoring for Ray Chang at that time. Dozier was slumping. I would rather they have waited a month to see how he was doing at that time. But I've still seen a guy with generally a good glove. I definitely think he has both the range and the arm to play big league SS. He's definitely got all of the intangibles. I won't pretend to know whether the right thing to do for him is to send him down for 6-8 weeks or to let him work through it with the Twins. This is a rebuilding season, in my opinion, so I'm all for doing whatever they think is the best. Also, I don't care that he's 25. He just turned 25. I'm not saying he'll be a star. I've never said that. But I do think that he can be a very solid major leaguer. If anyone thought he'd be more than that, it's not his fault.

[glunn]

I think that a trip back to AAA might give Dozier a less stressful route to improving his skills. But maybe the people who say that he can do this at the MLB level are correct. Either way, I would like to see Florimon eventually get a chance, even if only as a September call up.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

You people are amazing... Before they called Dozier up, everyone was upset, because he wasn't being called up, now everyone is complaining and saying he needs to be sent down... Dozier belongs with the Twins... He's a smart kid with a good mind for the game... This is where he needs to be to learn how to hit major league hitting... He's not going to learn that at Rochester.... And as is common with many rookies, he shows flashes of what his potential is, while other times he struggles.... By the end of the year I think he'll have settled in a will be playing more consistently, but it's a process... All of his growing pains this year will payoff next season...

I just love how you generalize everyone with that statement. I've held strong to the belief that Dozier should be in AAA before the callup. It was an exciting move at the time to get the fans energized about a new SS, but Dozier has been a complete disappointment and this shouldn't come as a shocker. Currently, he is the worst regular shortstop in the MLB on both sides of the ball. He moved quickly through the minors and I feel like he has finally become overwhelmed on the big stage.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm sure that Bruno helped and I'm sure Vavra would have been there for him as well. (although the Vavra bashers are lining up for a piece of me now).

You may be right. And if you want to drop the hostility angle you might find this isn't that radical of a suggestion I'm making. Revere, in the very article you're reading from, credits the AAA coaching. He also credits getting regular at-bats and his own film work. So it was some of all of that. You can play make-believe about what might have happened, but what DID happen was the send-down to AAA was good for him for a variety of reasons.

 

But whether you want to get hung-up on Revere or not, major league teams do this all the time. Whether it is rehab assignments, prospects, or even Adam Lind-types. AAA is a less pressure-filled environment, against lesser competition that players can go to work on their game. Teams can make suggestions to them and help them work on specific parts of their game without all the scrutiny that comes with the big league.

 

I'm merely suggesting that Dozier is looking worse and worse. His at-bats are not getting better and his fielding is not getting better. Is he the type that a demotion would be irrelevant for? Maybe, but it's hard to see a player regressing and think that the current model is the right way. The Twins shouldn't care about this season and should care about any player that could be helping them in 3 years. Dozier fits that and I'd hate to see them keep him up here at his detriment.

 

Sometimes "just figure it out" becomes hard when the level of competition is difficult no matter how on your game you are. A break and a chance to focus may benefit him, all I'm saying. Chill.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Maybe the scouts were right and he can't play SS in the majors?

Not likely. It was questioned whether he could stay at short because of his arm. His range is generally referenced as being average to slightly above average. His hands and his instinct were his selling points as a defender.

 

Those two things have been his biggest problems during this stint in Minnesota, which makes me think he's just suffering from rookie jitters, taking failures at the plate out to the field and vice versa. It's a vicious circle and hopefully, it's one he will overcome with experience.

[Vervehound]

tk used to say that you don't know what you have in a player till you give him 2000 at bats. most of us would find that laughable - that's four full seasons before you cut bait. but the premise there is right - you need to give a guy a chance to adapt at this level and play through it or you're no closer to knowing what you have than before you called him up. this season is a grind and most seem to forget about that on a regular basis.

 

i'm a big fan of theo epstein and would've been stoked beyond belief if he'd have taken over for billy bob. his theory that there are no 4a players, just guys that haven't had enough ab's/ip's in the majors has merit and he's proved it with bryan lahair this year.

[DPJ]

tk used to say that you don't know what you have in a player till you give him 2000 at bats.

 

David Ortiz-1696 at-bats as a Twin

[DPJ]

i'm a big fan of theo epstein and would've been stoked beyond belief if he'd have taken over for billy bob. his theory that there are no 4a players, just guys that haven't had enough ab's/ip's in the majors has merit and he's proved it with bryan lahair this year.

Name me one other play who went from being labeled a AAAA player to a viable starting MLB player during the Epstein regime in either Boston or Chicago?

 

Just cause LaHair came up and did something nice for the Cubs doesn't change the fact that there's player good enough to dominate AAA and suck balls in the majors.

[CDog]

tk used to say that you don't know what you have in a player till you give him 2000 at bats.

Semi-sure the number he would use was 1000. Not all that unlikely that he may have used different numbers at different times. But 1000 is what I've heard.

[BobH]

God yes. So far a lot of crow-eating on the Revere front. Guy is really making solid contact - never thought I'd say that.

Doesn't this indicate how important good coaching is?

If Bruno can get Revere hitting like this, shouldn't we be looking more at the coaching of these young players, rather than criticizing their performance?

Once they are up with the Twins, it seems like it's "ok kid, show me what you got", rather than "ok kid, here's what you should do".

[DPJ]

If Bruno can get Revere hitting like this

 

Since when is Bruno the one who got Revere hitting?

[Mauerzy4Prez]

The bring up another guy to see what he can do, while Dozier gets development against lower talent in AAA argument seems a little backwards to me. Weren't we making the same argument for Dozier when he was in AAA? I remember multiple threads and posts on here saying that we need to bring him up and see what he can do. Now that he is up here and scuffling a bit, people knee jerk and want to send him down?! Won't we just end up saying the same thing about the guy we call up to replace him in two months?! I.e. Florimon is struggling after some early success, he needs to spend more time in AAA to develop.

 

I could be wrong, but it just seems like we are discussing the same point that we were a few months ago for the Bull Dozier....

[Riverbrian]

You may be right. And if you want to drop the hostility angle you might find this isn't that radical of a suggestion I'm making. Revere, in the very article you're reading from, credits the AAA coaching. He also credits getting regular at-bats and his own film work. So it was some of all of that. You can play make-believe about what might have happened, but what DID happen was the send-down to AAA was good for him for a variety of reasons.

 

But whether you want to get hung-up on Revere or not, major league teams do this all the time. Whether it is rehab assignments, prospects, or even Adam Lind-types. AAA is a less pressure-filled environment, against lesser competition that players can go to work on their game. Teams can make suggestions to them and help them work on specific parts of their game without all the scrutiny that comes with the big league.

 

I'm merely suggesting that Dozier is looking worse and worse. His at-bats are not getting better and his fielding is not getting better. Is he the type that a demotion would be irrelevant for? Maybe, but it's hard to see a player regressing and think that the current model is the right way. The Twins shouldn't care about this season and should care about any player that could be helping them in 3 years. Dozier fits that and I'd hate to see them keep him up here at his detriment.

 

Sometimes "just figure it out" becomes hard when the level of competition is difficult no matter how on your game you are. A break and a chance to focus may benefit him, all I'm saying. Chill.

First off... No Hostility from me at all... I just wanted you to slide furthur out on that thin branch you so willingly sprung and clung to. We will spend some time learning about each other I assume but I'm generally a good guy with strong opinions. Wrong Frequently but I don't know the exact moments that I am just like everyone else. This site has been infused with some energy of late and I think it's great. Welcome aboard... I am detecting a slight substance of troll dripping off your posts. The results aren't back from the lab yet so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

You do realize when you say... "I can make things up" and "I can play make believe" that it could cause a retort. Now I appreciate you talking slow and using easy to understand words for me with your explanation of AAA 101 in your latest post but can we advance the conversation a little. I do get AAA so that will save us some time.

 

The question I asked you was... How did Ben's 101 PA in AAA and one extra base hit transform him into the beautiful MLB swan today? I don't consider a recap on AAA an answer to that question. Your explanation was for Adam Lind.

 

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same article or not. I remember reading a couple of them about him moving his hands higher and working on it with Tom Brunansky in Rochester. He worked on it in Rochester with Tom because he was in Rochester. That adjustment could happen at the MLB level with Joe Vavra just as easy. Especially since it was Ben who spotted it(if i remember right and I think I do).

 

Even with his hands lower... which I admit I wasn't noticing or concerning myself with in 2011 or the start of 2012. He still made contact at a very impressive rate. You couple that contact rate with his speed and you have a valuable talented major league ballplayer. Having his hands higher... eliminates extra movement in his swing and eliminating extra movement can lead to a better at-bats but he was doing pretty good prior.

 

I have said all along that Ben should have never been sent down. He should have been starting in LF from the 2012 get go. In his 28 MLB at bats in April. He didn't strike out once... He puts the ball in play more consistently then anyone on the Twins Roster and that is still true today and it was true last year as well. Not only on the Twins Roster but almost everyone in the Major Leagues.

 

The only thing about the trip to AAA that was good was that he got to play everyday. Sending him down was unnecessary... He was doing what Ben Revere does last year and it's the only time he hit below .300 in his career and it was his first time facing Verlander and Weaver and the best of the best. Give the kid a break. Don't assume that Brunansky fixed him. He wasn't broken. Coaches get too much credit and too much blame. It's up to the player.

 

Also, if a reporter or columnist or internet blogger asks a kid a question like "How was your experience in Rochester and how did it help you" because that's the angle they are working on... What is a kid supposed to say... "It was a freeking waste of time! Bruno worked with me and it was like every other experience with a batting coach". He's going to say the things he said because anything else would be torn apart.

 

He would have fixed his hands regardless of where he was at. The kid has hit over .300 at every level. He has speed that is comparable to Giancarlo(Mike or whatever) Stanton's Power. That's best in class... He gives it everything he has. He belongs on the Twins. If you guys want Power... Look elsewhere... It isn't Ben. In my opinion, he's the most exciting ball player on this team currently. You can win with Ben in your lineup. Now just get some freeking Pitching to help him out.

[Vervehound]

Name me one other play who went from being labeled a AAAA player to a viable starting MLB player during the Epstein regime in either Boston or Chicago?

 

Just cause LaHair came up and did something nice for the Cubs doesn't change the fact that there's player good enough to dominate AAA and suck balls in the majors.

he made this statement this past offseason so i'm not sure if you should go back over the course of his tenure to grade it but i'm guessing the realization came from inheriting a guy like millar, picking up a guy like ortiz or jason bay who had similarities in their pasts, taking a gamble on jeremy hermida who could've paid big dividends or sticking with a guy like youkilis who many prospect followers labeled a 4a type.

[Vervehound]

Semi-sure the number he would use was 1000. Not all that unlikely that he may have used different numbers at different times. But 1000 is what I've heard.

i'd be curious to know - i a bit of a web search but couldn't find anything pertinent. the reason i remember the 2000 number is because i felt it was outlandish and i got a bit exasperated. i believe the conversation was about rivas and guzman at that time, hence the my dyspeptic reaction.

[CDog]

i'd be curious to know - i a bit of a web search but couldn't find anything pertinent. the reason i remember the 2000 number is because i felt it was outlandish and i got a bit exasperated. i believe the conversation was about rivas and guzman at that time, hence the my dyspeptic reaction.

I just did a search now on something like, "Tom Kelly at bats" and then added a few different versions of "to know about a player" after that and got several hits that included the 1000 number. All of those, however, were simply from blogs where people stated it much the same way that you and I have, and not official quotes. I also included 1000 in the search and found just a few more blog type entries than before with that number, and using 2000 in the search didn't result in any. File the preceding in "wasting time on trivial things over lunch break" file.

[TheLeviathan]

The question I asked you was... How did Ben's 101 PA in AAA and one extra base hit transform him into the beautiful MLB swan today? I don't consider a recap on AAA an answer to that question. Your explanation was for Adam Lind.

Clearly Revere is a touchy subject for you. Accusing me of trolling is cute, but here's the article. Everything I've said comes directly from there, directly from Revere. If you want to claim yourself as a greater expert on Revere's improvements than Ben Revere himself....well that's on you. I'm done derailing the thread on this example.

 

You can pick Liam hendricks, Torii Hunter, any of hundreds of other players who have spent full-time in the majors, struggled, were sent down to work on things, and called back up. I'm not arguing it is 100% fool-proof - just that it's a perfectly reasonable option. I wasn't in the camp of rushing him up to the majors either. My beef is with the notion that we do this "because the team is bad anyway". To me that is irrelevant - we should all agree on that. The reason to send Dozier down is if it's best for Dozier and his future. I see a player who just cannot get it together in the field or at the plate. As RP said - he's not even doing the things well that he should be doing well, much less making progress. If anything, he is reverting.

 

To me that screams of a player needing a mental break - send him down and take the pressure off. Work on him on a few specific things, and call him back up again this year. This is not a revolutionary idea. I'm not claiming it's the only thing that will work. Just my opinion based on how badly Dozier looks lately.

[Mike Sixel]

Dozier is not ready, but I don't care. This team is not competing this year. They should just let him sit up here with their MLB coaches and trainers and get better here. I have no interest in Casilla playing, he's proven that he's not good. Some bizarre switch could happen, but it's not likely given this much time, and this many at bats.

[stringer bell]

Maybe the scouts were right and he can't play SS in the majors?

It seems to me that Dozier has made all the plays and not really struggled in making them. He has also not made all the plays, making errors fielding and throwing on routine and not routine plays. Maybe he isn't as focused as he should be or is rushing more than he needs to, but his defense has been substandard despite having the tools to be a very good defender.

[Mr. Ed]

Dozier is not ready, but I don't care. This team is not competing this year. They should just let him sit up here with their MLB coaches and trainers and get better here. I have no interest in Casilla playing, he's proven that he's not good. Some bizarre switch could happen, but it's not likely given this much time, and this many at bats.

Thank you. NO Dozier isn't as ready as hoped, but why play anyone else? They don't have the talent ready to compete, despite the Games Back in this division. The Twins need to be evaluating for the long haul.

 

A return to AAA then the bigs has jump-started Revere. Proving that they could let Span go. Of course, that means someone has to play RF.

 

Such a glaring lack of upper-level depth in this org.

[Riverbrian]

Clearly Revere is a touchy subject for you. Accusing me of trolling is cute, but here's the article. Everything I've said comes directly from there, directly from Revere. If you want to claim yourself as a greater expert on Revere's improvements than Ben Revere himself....well that's on you. I'm done derailing the thread on this example.

 

You can pick Liam hendricks, Torii Hunter, any of hundreds of other players who have spent full-time in the majors, struggled, were sent down to work on things, and called back up. I'm not arguing it is 100% fool-proof - just that it's a perfectly reasonable option. I wasn't in the camp of rushing him up to the majors either. My beef is with the notion that we do this "because the team is bad anyway". To me that is irrelevant - we should all agree on that. The reason to send Dozier down is if it's best for Dozier and his future. I see a player who just cannot get it together in the field or at the plate. As RP said - he's not even doing the things well that he should be doing well, much less making progress. If anything, he is reverting.

 

To me that screams of a player needing a mental break - send him down and take the pressure off. Work on him on a few specific things, and call him back up again this year. This is not a revolutionary idea. I'm not claiming it's the only thing that will work. Just my opinion based on how badly Dozier looks lately.

No I'd say that not recognizing the slant of an article is on you. Lord knows that Sid Hartman is never slanted in his approach to his work. Again, what is a kid supposed to say when posed with a question. You can follow the gospel of Sid's framing but that is on you. Sid makes it sound like his .278 in 18 at bats in April is testiment to the struggling youngster and his .314 is testiment to a player that has arrived. Does anyone remember April. We had 4 guys hitting, Willingham, Span, Mauer and Casilla. .278 is pretty damn good... It was 18 at bats... Everyone else was pretty much in the tank.

 

Look at Ben's minor league stats... How Consistent do you want him to be before realizing what he is and it looks like you can count on it... Rookie, A, A+, AA, AAA... It's says the same thing every year... Putting the ball in play and hitting over .300 without fail. Last year... It was .267... Against the best of the best for the first time and he still put the ball in play...

 

The Kid gets pitches to hit because no pitcher worth his salt wants to walk him... And he hits them. Hands Low... Hands High... Hands wherever... His contract rate is consistent. He isn't going to walk much because pitchers don't want to walk him and he isn't going to turn into Adam Dunn.

 

This kid did not need to be sent down and a minor hand adjustment is just run of the mill stuff that can be made at any level... No matter how Sid Hartman tries to sell his article with his Eureka point.

 

I wouldn't say that Ben Revere is a touchy subject... A year long crusade is a better way to describe it because it completely eludes me why others can't see it. The Kid is gifted and a gift. Bruno didn't fix him... Vavra didn't fix him... He's always been here.

 

As for Dozier... I agree with you and I don't... How's that for wishy washy... He's inconsistent... There are times when he looks great and times when he doesn't... I think the jury is still sequestered on the future of Brian Dozier. I just don't know who you replace him with. Carroll is clearly a better baseball player right now but he is 38 years old and would be a better fit on a team that is contending and not building for the future. If the Twins are building for the Future... Why not give a 25 year old SS that you like a shot.

 

Now if he's having confidence issues... Perhaps then you send him down so he doesn't get demoralized. I would think that Gardy would be in tune with that and would send him down at the slightest hint of it. So if he's competing and his head is on straight... Let's see what you got... It may turn out that he isn't a major league guy... Let's find out sooner if we can so we can get ready for the next young guy.

[TheLeviathan]

No matter how Sid Hartman tries to sell his article with his Eureka point.

 

So I read direct quotes from Ben Revere. Reference those direct quotes for my point. You suggest the direct quotes are wrong and you have the right answer. And I'm the one that may be trolling? Me thinks I got suckered here.

 

Again, I'll take Ben Revere as more of an expert on his experiences than you. No offense.

 

 

I just don't know who you replace him with.

 

That's precisely my point.....why should it matter? The team sucks either way. What matters is whatever is best for Dozier. I don't see him making any progress. In fact, I see him making mistakes he wasn't making when he first came up. I'm merely suggesting it may benefit him, and ultimately the Twins, to send him down for a few weeks and let him get his stuff back together. Tweak a few things, let him have some success, and bring him back fairly quickly. But right now this doesn't seem to be helping him.

 

The analogy that comes to mind is trying to teach someone a backstroke while they're worried about drowning. Take him out of the 12 foot area for awhile, let him get the backstroke down again in the shallow end, and then throw his butt back in the deep-end. Right now Dozier just looks to me like he's flailing in the deep end. I don't see how that does him any good.

[twinzgrl]

If ever there was a year to let someone play and see where it takes them, this is that year. That is why IMO Dozier should just stay and play for the Twins. He looked so good when he first came up, and I still see that level of play from him on occasion. If he would be helped by going down, well, that is what they pay the professional coaching staff to decide.

 

On the Revere debate, I never understood why Thomas, Komatsu, and Mastroianni were brought in to play in front of Ben. It's not like we're in a pennant race. Let him play and figure it out. AAA doesn't seem to be helping Danny.

[Riverbrian]

So I read direct quotes from Ben Revere. Reference those direct quotes for my point. You suggest the direct quotes are wrong and you have the right answer. And I'm the one that may be trolling? Me thinks I got suckered here.

 

Again, I'll take Ben Revere as more of an expert on his experiences than you. No offense.

 

 

Uncle... You are right!!!

 

Brunansky obviously fixed him and his one month in AAA hitting nothing but singles like he had done consistently before... year after year set him on the path to glory. That month in AAA was obviously the tonic needed to save him from the terrible slump of hitting .278 in 18 at bats in April.

 

Now his stats are perfectly aligned with the stats he always produced... Thank God... There is clear Sid Hartman defined reason and now everyone can sleep at night knowing that Ben Revere didn't just sneak up on some of you.

 

Without that trip to AAA... He would have been lost forever. No doubt about it...

 

Thank God, Sid was there to ask that important question of "What did you work on in Rochester with Tom Brunansky that has made you such a great hitter in your return?" and "What do you think of my old friend Tom Brunansky?" and Here's a certificate to Murray's... Go have a butterknife Steak".

 

I'm gonna have to start reading this Sid Hartman guy more often!!! It's clearly my fault.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

Uncle... You are right!!!

 

Brunansky obviously fixed him and his one month in AAA hitting nothing but singles like he had done consistently before... year after year set him on the path to glory. That month in AAA was obviously the tonic needed to save him from the terrible slump of hitting .278 in 18 at bats in April.

 

Now his stats are perfectly aligned with the stats he always produced... Thank God... There is clear Sid Hartman defined reason and now everyone can sleep at night knowing that Ben Revere didn't just sneak up on some of you.

 

Without that trip to AAA... He would have been lost forever. No doubt about it...

 

Thank God, Sid was there to ask that important question of "What did you work on in Rochester with Tom Brunansky that has made you such a great hitter in your return?" and "What do you think of my old friend Tom Brunansky?" and Here's a certificate to Murray's... Go have a butterknife Steak".

 

I'm gonna have to start reading this Sid Hartman guy more often!!! It's clearly my fault.

While I am enjoying this argument, I'd like to point out that the comparison between Dozier and Revere is completely bogus. Revere has been flip flopping between AAA and the MLB for some time now and it hasn't been ONE short stint that you can attribute to his changes as a player. Dozier hasn't had the AAA time Revere has had and it makes sense that he gets some before he's actually tested in the majors. You need to start playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" before you move on to Bach or Beethoven. In a more extreme sense, why not bring Buxton up to the MLB because this season is lost? No, because he is not ready and hasn't ascended the steps a minor league system has in place properly. Dozier is not a top prospect and doesn't have the talent to handle a jump between AA and the MLB. I really don't like the age argument, because I think players move on their own timelines.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm gonna have to start reading this Sid Hartman guy more often!!! It's clearly my fault.

Yowza. Henceforth I will make sure to dismiss all Ben Revere quotes as steak-induced lies. I'll be sure to consult you for the truth since Ben Revere can't make up his own mind.

 

Noted and then some......