May 21, 201511 yr So, all those predictions Vargas went down for Pinto were not quite accurate. Yay! Go Twins!
May 21, 201511 yr He's not. AJ Achter, Logan Darnell, and Caleb Thielbar are the relievers in Rochester that are on the 40 man. OK, swap Oliveros for Darnell on the 40 man, promote Oliveros and call it a day.
May 21, 201511 yr Actually, i have liked Graham, other than the ONE real bad outing he has been more than ok, i just dont think they want to overexpose him and have him lose confidence if they dont trully think he is ready, but i agree with the Duensing, Stauffer and eventually Boyer. Yeah, might have been a little bit harsh on Graham. That 5 or 6 run outing might have swayed my thinking. Still, the Twins seem to be hiding him a bit over the last 3 weeks. Let's see if last night's outing changes that.
May 21, 201511 yr He's not. AJ Achter, Logan Darnell, and Caleb Thielbar are the relievers in Rochester that are on the 40 manAnd they(Thielbar, Darnell) might not get claimed if DFA,d and if they did, it would only be because they are lefthanded.........Twins have alot of fat to cut in the 40 man if they wanted too.
May 21, 201511 yr On a side note, this is why some of us get irritated with these types of signings. The counter argument is we should lighten up because it is only $2.2M on a 1 year deal. No risk, etc. Well there is a cost to this. We are seeing it.
May 21, 201511 yr OK, swap Oliveros for Darnell on the 40 man, promote Oliveros and call it a day. Nah, we need Darnell to replace Duensing at some point.
May 21, 201511 yr Author LIghten up folks. It's not like we're sending Willie Mays down. It's Doug F'ing Bernier.That's actually what made me laugh when it was announced. Stauffer for Bernier. Kinda pointless when you get right down to it.
May 21, 201511 yr That's actually what made me laugh when it was announced. Stauffer for Bernier. Kinda pointless when you get right down to it.I don't think it's pointless...it matters. Bernier was a waste of a roster spot, but ultimately had zero effect. Stauffer will pitch in winnable games. there's a good chance that has an effect.
May 21, 201511 yr I don't think it's pointless...it matters. Bernier was a waste of a roster spot, but ultimately had zero effect. Stauffer will pitch in winnable games. there's a good chance that has an effect. Unless Graham is the new Stauffer and Stauffer is the new Graham. If that's the case, I think the Twins should try to return Stauffer to the Braves. Maybe the Braves will be too polite to call the Twins back and tell them that they received the wrong reliever.
May 21, 201511 yr I was fully expecting Bernier to be demoted... For someone like Pinto. You know, because, well... because. Do I really need to explain my thinking here? So this was the "magical mystery move" that so many eagerly awaited and anticipated and wrote breathlessly about last Sunday? Edited May 21, 201511 yr by jokin
May 21, 201511 yr It never seizes to amaze me the leash a guaranteed deal north of $2M will get you on this team. $2.2M is not a lot of money. We have better pitchers (plural) in AAA. Stauffer MLB 9.2 IP, 8.38 ERA, 2.27 WHIP, 16 H. 2 KStauffer AAA 5.0 IP, 5.40 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, 2 KOliveros AAA 19.1 IP, 1.86 ERA, .98 WHIP, 30 KAchter AAA 19 IP, 2.37 ERA, .63 WHIP, 16 K Actually, it gets worse, the longer he sticks around: Stauffer’s deal calls for him to begin collecting bonuses of $250,000 apiece upon reaching 15, 18, 21, 24 and 27 appearances in 2015. The Ron Shapiro client stands to earn another $100,000 with his 45th outing and a final $250,000 for making a 55th appearance. That's why I never understood all the talk about Stauffer being in the SP mix. He was specifically brought in to take Burton's role in the pen, even though he's only been a low leverage RP. He's at 8 appearances so far... if he somehow miraculously hits all of his performance milestones, he could make $3.95M. Just going from 8 to 24 games gets him to $3.25M. The Twins have a history of obliging players and their bonuses, regardless of performance level. Why did I get the feeling that Oliveros shouldn't be allowed free access in any tall buildings? Edited May 21, 201511 yr by jokin
May 21, 201511 yr This bullpen is a ticking time bomb. I've used that metaphor for the pen once already, today.... except my RP time bombs were fuse-activated- some have already blown up, some are on short fuse burns, others a little longer burning.... but they all pretty much have shown they can blow up at some point this season.
May 21, 201511 yr Yeah, might have been a little bit harsh on Graham. That 5 or 6 run outing might have swayed my thinking. Still, the Twins seem to be hiding him a bit over the last 3 weeks. Let's see if last night's outing changes that. the Twins "Seem to be hiding" Graham? Up until quite recently, there were more confirmed sightings of Amelia Earhart, the kidnapped Lindbergh baby- and Elivs... combined... than had seen JR. Edited May 21, 201511 yr by jokin
May 21, 201511 yr So this leaves us with a 3 man bench of Herrmann, Nunez, and Robinson. I think it'd be ideal if we kept a 4-man bench, but perhaps we'll revert to that once Vargas gets back up to the majors. This means that the 8 man bullpen will probably be temporary. Stauffer and Duensing will be competing to see who'll get kicked off the roster first.
May 21, 201511 yr Meh. They'll cut him after a few more outings if he isn't improved. He deserves a little leash. How do you come to your conclusions? See Gray, Jeff... Deduno, Samuel... Roenicke, Josh... Guerrier, Matt (2014)
May 21, 201511 yr To the person that says Stauffer has a track record of success......he's never been above replacement level as a RP. As a starter, he was "meh" and that was in 2011. I'm not sure why anyone thinks Stauffer has a good track record.
May 21, 201511 yr Sometimes I get confused about what people hope for around here. Actually, it's pretty simple. Promote and play players who have superior talent/performance history, bite the bullet and demote/trade/DFA when you make a mistaken judgement on non-performing personnel.
May 21, 201511 yr To the person that says Stauffer has a track record of success......he's never been above replacement level as a RP. As a starter, he was "meh" and that was in 2011. I'm not sure why anyone thinks Stauffer has a good track record. It's probably just that theTwins have been conditioning fans for four years to think any thing that isn't terrible, is automatically a success.
May 21, 201511 yr And they(Thielbar, Darnell) might not get claimed if DFA,d and if they did, it would only be because they are lefthanded.........Twins have alot of fat to cut in the 40 man if they wanted too. Although I grant he's no panacea, I still don't get the thinking in not protecting Gilmartin over some other suspect lefties on the 40-man roster.
May 21, 201511 yr Well, I have my calming mantra revved up ... 'It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game ...'
May 21, 201511 yr Well, I have my calming mantra revved up ... 'It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game ...' That's why I'd describe my feelings as more "well, that's not what I was hoping for", than "that makes me mad"......
May 21, 201511 yr That's why I'd describe my feelings as more "well, that's not what I was hoping for", than "that makes me mad"...... Funny, I'm more like "resigned to the inevitable"...
May 21, 201511 yr That's why I'd describe my feelings as more "well, that's not what I was hoping for", than "that makes me mad"......As I said in the other thread, I'll wait to see what other moves are made and then see if this is an 'Ahaaaa' or a 'wtf'. I'm still perplexed but what do I know. It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game ...
May 21, 201511 yr As I said in the other thread, I'll wait to see what other moves are made and then see if this is an 'Ahaaaa' or a 'wtf'. I'm still perplexed but what do I know. It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game ... Except this was the other move.......
May 21, 201511 yr It's probably just that theTwins have been conditioning fans for four years to think any thing that isn't terrible, is automatically a success. We adore mediocrity! We value stability! We admire seniority! We salivate over effort! We abhor non conformity! And we weep and gnash our teeth without parallel!
May 21, 201511 yr Getting sent to Rocherster is one thing! Getting sent to Rochester for Tim S. Is quite another! Btw, why should the 25th guy be a "he's not gonna play anyway" guy? Why not fill that spot with someone with a specific talent? Speed, defense, power bat. Why let it lay fallow with a utility guy that does none of these things well? In the AL, the 3 spots above him should give you flexibility! (Barring 3 catchers of course).
May 21, 201511 yr As I said in the other thread, I'll wait to see what other moves are made and then see if this is an 'Ahaaaa' or a 'wtf'. I'm still perplexed but what do I know. It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game ... but can you be perplexed by what you DO NOT know? . .
May 21, 201511 yr Unless there's another one still ... Like in Princess Bride....sure, hopefully there is not poison.
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