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[username]

and now i know why ben wouldn't trade me mike minor... hes a braves fan!!!

[kab21]

I like your trade. I'm not sure Mauer will outproduce Davis but Fister must be very overlooked. I think he will thrive moving to the Nats.

 

I owned Schoop forever and finally traded him last year as an extra piece in a blockbuster. My gut says he might be a starter but not a very good one. He has been pushed through the minors aggressively though.

 

Welcome Ben. I wasn't sure if that was you or not. You have a couple of nice pieces but your minors need some work.

 

At some point I will have to unload a few veterans (Scutaro, Weeks, Dejesus) but I'm not in any hurry since these guys won't be in demand.

[username]

I like your trade. I'm not sure Mauer will outproduce Davis but Fister must be very overlooked. I think he will thrive moving to the Nats.

 

I owned Schoop forever and finally traded him last year as an extra piece in a blockbuster. My gut says he might be a starter but not a very good one. He has been pushed through the minors aggressively though.

 

Welcome Ben. I wasn't sure if that was you or not. You have a couple of nice pieces but your minors need some work.

 

At some point I will have to unload a few veterans (Scutaro, Weeks, Dejesus) but I'm not in any hurry since these guys won't be in demand.

 

the league is in the "overvaluing prospects" part of its cycle again. i've been trying to move good vets for younger players/prospects and have been met with a ton of horrible offers. some of my favorites:

 

25 ALIVE have offered you a Trade in the CUP O' COFFEE :

Javier Baez for Andrew McCutchen.

 

DEM Grinders have offered you a Trade in the CUP O' COFFEE :

Kevin Gausman and Martin Prado for Robinson Cano.

 

Billy Buck & the 86ers have offered you a Trade in the CUP

O' COFFEE : Oscar Taveras and Gerardo Parra for Andrew

McCutchen

 

Jake's Bravos have offered you a Trade in the CUP O' COFFEE

: Adam Morgan, Jackie Bradley, Jairo Beras and Joe Wieland

for Andrew McCutchen, Brian Flynn, CC Sabathia and Marcus

Semien.

[PseudoSABR]

Bravo, jake.

[biggentleben]

Yeah, it's me. Yay, I think. Minor was more on that fact that without him or Felix, my staff is fairly thin, so I'd want big pieces to move either of them. I'm not a fan that the other pronounced Braves fan is such a poor trader, at least in my experience thus far.

 

As far as the re-draft, when there was such a struggle to find two more, I offered to put my team in the mix if it helped lure a new owner as I did see some possible benefits of having access to the minors of the other teams vs. mine. Perhaps I need to go offering around my minor leaguers with the valuations of them!

[biggentleben]

Here's what I don't get about the redraft. Why did they not simply trade the guys from rosters to one another in one massive trade rather than continual add/drops?

[PseudoSABR]

Here's what I don't get about the redraft. Why did they not simply trade the guys from rosters to one another in one massive trade rather than continual add/drops?

I bet they didn't think of it.

[kab21]

the league is in the "overvaluing prospects" part of its cycle again.

 

You can delete 'again'...

[kab21]

In typical fashion I traded anything that resembled a prospect for Stanton. Hopefully he bounces back (OR GETS TRADED!).

[username]

In typical fashion I traded anything that resembled a prospect for Stanton. Hopefully he bounces back (OR GETS TRADED!).

 

haha, we were negotiating against each other...

 

i got the "Matt Harvey, Eddie Rosario, and Todd Frazier, can you beat that??" email. i gracefully bowed out

[kab21]

I don't screw around when trading. I now have opened up quite a bit of roster space also and I have a borderline dominant offense.

[username]

I don't screw around when trading. I now have opened up quite a bit of roster space also and I have a borderline dominant offense.

 

i don't think either of us have ever promoted a prospect from within. might pop my cherry with Eric Johnson this year.

 

i wish i could get more traction on rios; every offer for him is an egregious lowball. guy is top 5 OF in our scoring system and is now in a hitter's park surrounded by an awesome lineup.

[kab21]

Rios is 32 and wildly inconsistent so you aren't going to get anything considerable for him. I remember you telling me that I also needed to move (after my lucky ARod trade) Cuddyer and Buehrle a couple of years ago. 30 something average players basically have the lowest trade value in this league. I might try to pick up 1-2 more after the MLB cutdown draft. Right now I'm still stuck cutting 2 solid MLB'ers to make it to 20 MLB'ers.

[biggentleben]

Wow, I'm seriously getting the education on who to trade with and who not to. Horrid initial offers I can live with, but when you're deep in discussions and then respond to the next email with "oh, I just traded him", that's pretty crappy game play. You at least offer the other guy a chance to match offers. Anyway, rant over.

 

So I'm confused about the draft. There's two separate drafts - one for guys who weren't eligible in 2013 and then one more for MLB guys?

[kab21]

The first draft (MiLB) is the good one for first year eligible players (last year's draft and int'l FA's). You need to cut your roster down to 40 minus the number of picks you intend to use.

 

The 2nd draft (MLB) is mostly a waste of time despite username's defense of it. Every once in awhile a late bloomer is picked in the draft and becomes a valuable piece but most of the time it's as interesting as picking through the waiver wire. Basically most of the draft pool is old washed up vets (I will toss in Scutaro and Dejesus among others this year) and former top prospects that have sucked (I tried picking up Kyle Blanks and Mat Gamel several years in a row).

 

You need to cut your roster down to 35 players with only 20 MLB players. I think the MLB criteria is the same as rookie eligibility but I can't remember if we tweaked it a little.

[PseudoSABR]

Made some big trades today. I'm sure you guys will have mixed reviews.

 

Soler and Michael Saunders for Josh Hamilton and Rio Ruiz.

Matt Davidson, Berrios, Schoop for Bucholz.

 

Lots of risk, but I've decided I can't keep waiting for players to develop and I need to gain some proven production, even with injury and age risk. Soler (who I drafted twice!) and Berrios (who I got with the pick for Scott Diamond (thanks waiver wire, thanks Dave) are the only prospects I'm disappointed to lose, and Ruiz is nice wild card bat.

[biggentleben]

Definitely win-now moves. I thought prospect-to-current was good in the Hamilton/Soler deal, but you did give up a bit more prospect currency than I guess I would have for Buchholz, but that can also be because I'm not exactly a fan of his as well.

[PseudoSABR]

Definitely win-now moves. I thought prospect-to-current was good in the Hamilton/Soler deal, but you did give up a bit more prospect currency than I guess I would have for Buchholz, but that can also be because I'm not exactly a fan of his as well.

All three prospects I gave up, I have big questions about. Between Trumbo, Goldschidmt, and Prado I don't think Davidson has a future in AZ (and I don't like his Ks). Berrios is so far away that I felt it was worth the risk. We'll see.

[biggentleben]

All three prospects I gave up, I have big questions about. Between Trumbo, Goldschidmt, and Prado I don't think Davidson has a future in AZ (and I don't like his Ks). Berrios is so far away that I felt it was worth the risk. We'll see.

 

I think it's as much my dislike for Buchholz as my like for the prospects mentioned.

[username]

All three prospects I gave up, I have big questions about. Between Trumbo, Goldschidmt, and Prado I don't think Davidson has a future in AZ (and I don't like his Ks). Berrios is so far away that I felt it was worth the risk. We'll see.

 

the hamilton trade is probably a wash (not crazy about him but you didn't give up a whole lot) and i like the buchholz trade.

 

i owned buchholz since kab traded him to be during the inaugural draft up until i traded him for bumgarner and he's really an outstanding per-inning pitcher. has a hard time staying healthy but was always really consistent in putting up points. part of me always felt like he was going to fall off the cliff which made me wary, but even after i traded him he continued to pitch well so who knows? also a guaranteed 12+ game winner in boston so he'll rack up points even if he gets knocked around from time to time.

 

Ben - still interested in arenado or minor if you like anything on my team

[kab21]

I like the Buchholz trade more than the Hamilton trade. Soler looks like a potential star while the others lack both certainty and upside. Good prospects but more like spare parts instead of building blocks.

[username]

noah wheelin and dealin like a madman. meanwhile i keep getting these offers...

 

Hong Kong Phooeys have offered you a Trade in the CUP O'

COFFEE : Matt Dominguez, Hunter Pence and Ian Desmond for

Erik Johnson, Andrew McCutchen and Elvis Andrus.

 

Swap out for 3 older, worse players? What could go wrong?!?!

[PseudoSABR]

I needed to get rid of my catchers glut, as they will just continue to decrease in value as teams address their needs; that I got a semiproductive regular out of the deal is fine with me. Though Johnson's BABIP is insane, but still he's better than what I have on the roster.

 

Part of the reason I can get trades done is that I take the time to look at the rosters and try to trade with teams that I match up well. Some guys are impossible to trade with as they insist on having the clear upper hand, even dismissing trades that clearly would be to their benefit.

 

I also have to say, auctioning off players is bad form.

[kab21]

noah wheelin and dealin like a madman. meanwhile i keep getting these offers...

 

Hong Kong Phooeys have offered you a Trade in the CUP O'

COFFEE : Matt Dominguez, Hunter Pence and Ian Desmond for

Erik Johnson, Andrew McCutchen and Elvis Andrus.

 

Swap out for 3 older, worse players? What could go wrong?!?!

 

Even more frustrating is when he gets upset when you evaluate a trade offer as such. He offered Dominguez/Pence for Stanton last week.

[username]

i traded CC Sabathia and Michael Fulmer for Jimmy Nelson and Robbie Ray.

 

i think CC is basically done for, so i'm happy get two decent arms for him while i can. wouldn't be totally shocked if CC has a decent year and racks up some wins on the yanks, but i just didn't want to risk getting stuck with the guy.

 

i thought i'd be able to get much more but there was basically no interest in the guy from other owners

[kab21]

I think I got more talent for Charlie Morton. At a certain point I think you need to run veterans like CC into the ground.

[biggentleben]

I think I got more talent for Charlie Morton. At a certain point I think you need to run veterans like CC into the ground.

 

I was in the same boat with CC in another dynasty league, but I took advantage of a panicked Matt Harvey owner who was leading the league by slim margins to move CC and Johnny Cueto (along with a conditional pick for 2015 if Harvey pitches certain innings in 2014) for Harvey. Another league I put CC on the block, and I did get one offer of A-Rod for him, otherwise, no bites at all, so I decided I will just ride him until the end at this point.

[username]

I was in the same boat with CC in another dynasty league, but I took advantage of a panicked Matt Harvey owner who was leading the league by slim margins to move CC and Johnny Cueto (along with a conditional pick for 2015 if Harvey pitches certain innings in 2014) for Harvey. Another league I put CC on the block, and I did get one offer of A-Rod for him, otherwise, no bites at all, so I decided I will just ride him until the end at this point.

 

around august of last season, i was trying to move CC for Nova + Gausman. DEM declined and kept countering for Nova + top 150-type prospects. i asked him for nova straight up recently and basically got laughed at (and rightfully so).

 

i'm just pretty low on my team right now. it's getting very old and i would rather take 80 cents on the dollar than get stuck with a complete disaster when the music stops. as of right now, the only players who i think will be useful 3 seasons from now are andrus, mccutch, latos and andrus. and my prospects aren't all that special either. with that said, i have some guys who are valuable to win-now teams but they just aren't biting.

[kab21]

A) It's always going to be that way in this league. You aren't going to get fair value for guys in decline.

 

You should be in win now mode and you sell your team short.

 

C) I think you got 20 cents on the dollar for CC.

[username]

A) It's always going to be that way in this league. You aren't going to get fair value for guys in decline.

 

You should be in win now mode and you sell your team short.

 

C) I think you got 20 cents on the dollar for CC.

 

Looking forward to your analysis on this one then....

 

McCutcheon, Nolasco, Pelfrey and Petit

 

for

 

Julio Teheran, Leonys Martin, Mike Folteynewitz, Edwin Escobar

 

 

I think McCutch for Teheran and Martin is pretty fair in a vacuum. I'm super high on Teheran and think Martin is a guy who is undervalued in our league because of his speed. Also think he has chance to develop some power.

 

I basically look at the second part of the deal as Nolasco for Foltey and Escobar - basically a top 40 prospect and top ~100 guy, which seems about right I guess.