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[kab21]

Nice to see everyone get bent out of shape again. 

[biggentleben]

Nice to see everyone get bent out of shape again. 

 

Yeah.  I will say I've enjoyed my draft so far.

[PseudoSABR]

Nice to see everyone get bent out of shape again. 

I had hoped the draft would move slow enough that your pick wouldn't be an issue, but when I saw we got there last night I reposted your message a couple weeks earlier.  Did you get flack for it over email or something? 

 

I took a big risk at 11 with Olivera, I sure he signs before opening day; I think I did well in the second round with Yoan Lopez and AJ Reed.

 

I like your draft so far Ben,  Hoffman is good value there, and Ibanez is nice second round risk;  Castillo should be good right out of the gate.

[kab21]

Apparently people have told Scott that they want to leave the league because of this.  I guess I should have just said that I simply could not do the draft as Scott scheduled.  I had told him my schedule and he still started the draft when I was gone.

 

It seems that there was another riff over JBJ.

 

This is just getting silly.

[PseudoSABR]

The hiccups are to be expected with the change in commissioner and so many owners.  But threatening to quit over any of them is petulant.  I seriously doubt any one was really bent out of shape, though people love to complain.

[biggentleben]

Apparently people have told Scott that they want to leave the league because of this.  I guess I should have just said that I simply could not do the draft as Scott scheduled.  I had told him my schedule and he still started the draft when I was gone.

 

It seems that there was another riff over JBJ.

 

This is just getting silly.

 

The JBJ one was hilarious, I must say.

[PseudoSABR]

The JBJ one was hilarious, I must say.

Especially how DEM tried to leverage it into getting something for him. Oi.

[username]

threatening to quit over kab's delayed pick is just laughably immature. it's february, who cares???

 

the JBJ thing i can sort of understand but at the end of the day it's JBJ. Nick probably should've just given JBJ back to the original owner, though. not because it's required by the rules or whatever, but because he's the commish and his team is insanely stacked and he dropped him anyway. offering JBJ for draft picks was just rubbing it in, imo.

 

i've been targeting odorizzi for some time and snagged him for Aramis and Robbie Ray which i'm pretty psyched about. it's actually the only trade i made the entire offseason. usually my entire roster turns around this time of year...

[kab21]

I'm kind of stuck with my team.  I have a lot of vets or bounceback guys that could be sold for 50 cents on the dollar that I will just keep instead.

 

I'm pretty happy about getting Grant Holmes.  I might have taken Hoffman but Ben is the only guy that could be a little upset by the delayed pick since his pick was then known.  Getting Holmes has some good upside and I have put together a sneaky good set of pitching prospects recently.  That could set up a big trade in July for me because I don't keep prospects.

[biggentleben]

I'm kind of stuck with my team.  I have a lot of vets or bounceback guys that could be sold for 50 cents on the dollar that I will just keep instead.

 

I'm pretty happy about getting Grant Holmes.  I might have taken Hoffman but Ben is the only guy that could be a little upset by the delayed pick since his pick was then known.  Getting Holmes has some good upside and I have put together a sneaky good set of pitching prospects recently.  That could set up a big trade in July for me because I don't keep prospects.

 

I had Hoffman/Holmes in my queue, so I was happy with whichever one you didn't grab.  And to be clear, I wasn't upset in the least.  I was joking about having my pick revealed, but it was an issue to people for some reason.  I'm in another draft that started on the 16th and is through two rounds with 16 teams, so this draft is going well in comparison.

[PseudoSABR]

I think some of the trades happening with new owners seem rather predatory; new owners seem eager to acquire poor assets (future draft picks, selling far too low), and well, a few established owners might taking advantage of the perceived ignorance. What do you think?

[biggentleben]

I think some of the trades happening with new owners seem rather predatory; new owners seem eager to acquire poor assets (future draft picks, selling far too low), and well, a few established owners might taking advantage of the perceived ignorance. What do you think?

 

I got a lot of those offers last year, but in all seriousness, some of those new guys will likely not get a deal with me that's even due to the trade proposals they've sent me.  I had one offer from one of the new owners that was basically his last four MLB people on his roster for Kinsler, Sabathia, Richards, and Santana.  Then the reasoning behind it was that Sabathia and Richards were hurt, so they weren't worth his guys who may not make their own team's roster.  Ridiculous stuff.

 

I do think some folks jumped off at a lot of assets before understanding the league.  I'll admit that I did that some in early trades, but I picked it up quickly.

[PseudoSABR]

Part my problem is with DEM/Nick, he's a commissioner, and may have knowledge someone has taken over team before others.  As with Dynamic Inertia/Red Dogs,  DEM made trades with that team before it was announced we had knew owner, giving him essentially a head start to take advantage of the information gap.  Just my two cents. 

[username]

it doesn't bother me too much.

 

for one thing it will keep these guys with crummy teams interested in the league. i know if i traded a bunch of my starters and ended up with a boatload of prospects and 2016/2017 draft picks that i'm gonna play for a few years and see what happens.

 

also, the last batch of new owners did the same thing (more or less) and are pretty competitive now. iirc hard time and fixer upper were like 5 win teams and now they are fairly well positioned.

[biggentleben]

it doesn't bother me too much.

 

for one thing it will keep these guys with crummy teams interested in the league. i know if i traded a bunch of my starters and ended up with a boatload of prospects and 2016/2017 draft picks that i'm gonna play for a few years and see what happens.

 

also, the last batch of new owners did the same thing (more or less) and are pretty competitive now. iirc hard time and fixer upper were like 5 win teams and now they are fairly well positioned.

 

I know I took over a very stars and scrubs team, and while I moved some of those stars.to do it, I am very happy with my depth now in my roster.  I don't think I'm at the point of competing this year, but it's not hard to remake a team to at least competitive.  The next step takes a few of your gambles and early picks turning out, though.

[PseudoSABR]

I guess there's just a learning curve that's unavoidable; I just wished I'd see a more diverse group of owners taking advantage of the firesales by new teams.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts guys.

[kab21]

I barely even check in the during the offseason anymore.  I am absolutely swamped right now.

[biggentleben]

I guess there's just a learning curve that's unavoidable; I just wished I'd see a more diverse group of owners taking advantage of the firesales by new teams.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts guys.

 

Oh, I'm working on it

[username]

great trade for you, ben.

[biggentleben]

great trade for you, ben.

 

It was even offered to me.  That's the crazy part.  

[username]

merry xmas!

[biggentleben]

merry xmas!

 

No kidding.  I sent a list of the guys on his roster that I'd be willing to move and made a comment that I'd also be willing to move 2017 picks before 2016 ones right now.  His first response was the deal that went down.  I tried to get a pitcher added, but no such luck.

[PseudoSABR]

I've noticed that some teams are streaming SPs and putting RPs in SP slots; two teams have made such offenses against me this week.  I usually don't think to check the other teams box score unless it's a close match up, but it's not just new owners that are guilty of gaming the rules.  I wondering if we need harsh penalties beyond just deducting the extra points earned.  

 

That said, how's everyone's team coming along? 

[kab21]

I said something about on the chat board last week and Brutus stopped but I see that others are doing it in your matchups.  The funny thing is that I looked back several weeks and it actually did cost DemGrinders a game which may or may not be important come playoff time.  Probably not since his team is a powerhouse.

 

I have always felt that the 5th spot should be a flex SP/RP spot since there just isn't enough SP'ing in this league.

 

My team has an awesome record but I feel like it is held together by superglue and it could unravel at any moment.  It's still a playoff team but it just can't compete with Dem and TRad.

[kab21]

I found one more team that was doing it so I posted something.  tbh it's not really a big deal since the root cause is that this league is awful for parity and distribution of players.  The 5 player MLB draft didn't help that at all when we had it.  I'm actually wondering how long we can keep it going w/o losing 5 owners every offseason.

[biggentleben]

I am very pleased with how my trades worked out for me this offseason. I'm really waiting on a few guys who are right on the cusp of the majors (Rusney, Peraza, Norris, Lorenzen) to take the next step in order to see what I really have. Injuries have not been my friend either, as I lose Segura as Nick Franklin comes back and Jake Lamb and Alex Rios were off to very nice starts before hitting the DL.

[kab21]

What the hell is going on with Parker?  This didn't have to be a big deal but he is acting upset that we (or rather I) are asking him to follow the rules.  He knows the rules, he has broken them every week this season (getting 3 extra wins) and continued to break them this last week after he was politely reminded that it was against the rules.

 

Ben - you can't use Lorenzen as a RP'er despite his eligiblity (unless he is pitching as a RP'er).  it must feel good to see Hoffman come back so quickly.  I think you are on the path to battling for a playoff spot.  I think I'm stuck at the good enough to make the playoffs most years but lacking the true firepower to win it.

[biggentleben]

 

What the hell is going on with Parker?  This didn't have to be a big deal but he is acting upset that we (or rather I) are asking him to follow the rules.  He knows the rules, he has broken them every week this season (getting 3 extra wins) and continued to break them this last week after he was politely reminded that it was against the rules.

 

Ben - you can't use Lorenzen as a RP'er despite his eligiblity (unless he is pitching as a RP'er).  it must feel good to see Hoffman come back so quickly.  I think you are on the path to battling for a playoff spot.  I think I'm stuck at the good enough to make the playoffs most years but lacking the true firepower to win it.

 

I asked about that with the whole big blow up going on, and the message I got back was that it wasn't okay to do a RP in SP, but as long as I wasn't streaming, the opposite was okay. I don't have an issue at all with swapping him out, though, as O'Day has outscored him this year, and he's a solid pitcher in this format.

 

I've done well with some fairly important offensive pieces out to start the year and Rusney in AAA. I'm certainly pleased with how things are building so far.

[PseudoSABR]

 

What the hell is going on with Parker?  This didn't have to be a big deal but he is acting upset that we (or rather I) are asking him to follow the rules.  He knows the rules, he has broken them every week this season (getting 3 extra wins) and continued to break them this last week after he was politely reminded that it was against the rules.

 

Ben - you can't use Lorenzen as a RP'er despite his eligiblity (unless he is pitching as a RP'er).  it must feel good to see Hoffman come back so quickly.  I think you are on the path to battling for a playoff spot.  I think I'm stuck at the good enough to make the playoffs most years but lacking the true firepower to win it.

Oi. He's being petulant.  There was a lot of rule-breaking going on, and I think I pointed out Parker's infraction initially.  The whole "It doesn't matter, but I should be able to do it because I'm at a disadvantage" is mind-numbingly hypocritical.  Especially dislike his threat to tank, that's just bad form.  

My team might actually make the playoffs, of course depending on health etc.  For once, there might reason to pay attention late in the season.

[kab21]

The most irritating thing is that his story has changed every time.  Now he was simply talking about changing the rules for next year.  Somehow at least half of my comments have included how I support a rule change for next year.

 

the good news for me is that teams decide to tank and rebuild keep me competitive.  I just can't understand how a 17-15 team that is 3 games out of a playoff spot would even consider tanking much less be a seller at this point.  Every year playoff teams rebuild.  I don't get it.

 

I noticed that you were in the mix.  Your only problem is that you don't have any elite players but are good across the board.  I see 3 tiers of playoff teams.  Tier one is DEM and TR (+10-15% more points on the season than tier 2).  DEM looks unstoppable with his rotation and lineup.  Tier 2 includes Melk, Name and myself (+10-15% on tier 3).  We are good but we just don't have the rotation strength to match up.  Tier 3 includes 5 (with you).