Article: Twins Trade Kevin Correia, Recall Tommy Milone

[goulik]

Am I remembering wrong or wasn't Sulbaran a ptbnl?

 

In any case, I would like to publicly thank Correia for being a dependable innings eating professional pitcher. You walked out to the mound and put up MLB numbers consistently and anchored a really bad pitching staff with a needed veteran presence. You suffered through multiple 90 loss seasons with bad defense behind you and bad bats supporting you. When all around you others spent weeks, months and entire seasons on the disabled lists, you strapped them on and marched out there for unappreciative fans. Thank You for putting up with us. God Bless!

[gunnarthor]

Am I remembering wrong or wasn't Sulbaran a ptbnl?

 

 

Yep.

[Mr. Brooks]

Yeah, how did May work out for all you geniuses? #hotSidtakes #pelf2015usuckaz

 

Wow, there is some major overreaction to 1 start against a great lineup in this thread. 

[DaveW]

Correia unfairly got a lot of hate from Twins fans, he was in fact the best SP the Twins had in 2013 and in 2014 other than a bad stretch he was "ok" as a #5 as well. He handled himself with class, never complained and went out every 5 days and more often then not gave the Twins a chance to win (Assuming they didn't have a bad offense)

 

I'm not a Dodgers fan at all, but part of me would like to see Butera (another guy who got a lot of unjustified hate by Twins fans) and Correia succeed in the playoffs.

[jokin]

Correia unfairly got a lot of hate from Twins fans, he was in fact the best SP the Twins had in 2013 and in 2014 other than a bad stretch he was "ok" as a #5 as well. He handled himself with class, never complained and went out every 5 days and more often then not gave the Twins a chance to win (Assuming they didn't have a bad offense)

 

I'm not a Dodgers fan at all, but part of me would like to see Butera (another guy who got a lot of unjustified hate by Twins fans) and Correia succeed in the playoffs.

 

Given how Liriano and Worley have done with Pittsburgh, Correia is likely to do well with a fresh start and a better team....plus, back in his home state, and with his former boss, Ned Colletti.

[Mike Sixel]

Who hated KC? What people hated, IMO, was that Ryan made him the best starter through his actions two years ago. As a fifth starter, I HS no problem with him. As for the May comments, ugh. Really? Judging after one strt, and straw manning what others expected? Sometimes this site is depressing.

 

I am glad they made room for Milone. That is what awful teams do at the end of the year, call up the possible future to gather major league information, and to prep for the future. Which hopefully will actually come here some day.

[Danchat]

I have to give it to our font office - we've really recovered since the Bartlett fiasco.

Trading Morales was good... we'll see in September is Pyror is any good.

The Fuld claim and trade was brilliant... and we'll see Milone in a few days.

And now May coming up and Correia going bye-bye. I can't argue with any of these moves.

 

I think it's safe to say that TR is doing a good job since his return. Antony, however, should definitely not be the next Twins GM.

[TheDean]

I have to give it to our font office - we've really recovered since the Bartlett fiasco.

Trading Morales was good... we'll see in September is Pyror is any good.

The Fuld claim and trade was brilliant... and we'll see Milone in a few days.

And now May coming up and Correia going bye-bye. I can't argue with any of these moves.

 

I think it's safe to say that TR is doing a good job since his return. Antony, however, should definitely not be the next Twins GM.

 

Yeah, I have to applaud it all.  I know some of the posters here are a bit uneasy about the Suzuki extension, but I was just happy to see one of the two palatable outcomes (trade or extension) rather than letting him leave for nothing.  Overall, I don't have many complaints.  Who knows, maybe a Hammer move coupled with a Meyer callup is in order soon.

[chuchadoro]

Yeah, how did May work out for all you geniuses?

 

#hotSidtakes #pelf2015usuckaz

 

I thought the pelf hashtag would be a dead giveaway that I was lampooning the post I quoted, I guess I was mistaken. This isn't the first time I've had to explain myself (usually to mike because we have similar opinions on the Twins and his sarcasm detector can sometimes be dulled by the argumentative nature of his TD persona).

 

To recap: One overreaction to May's debut, one post mocking said overreaction, and one infrequent poster whose humor doesn't play at TD.

 

#ohjokes,igetjokes!

[Craig Arko]

I thought the pelf hashtag would be a dead giveaway that I was lampooning the post I quoted, I guess I was mistaken. This isn't the first time I've had to explain myself (usually to mike because we have similar opinions on the Twins and his sarcasm detector can sometimes be dulled by the argumentative nature of his TD persona).

 

To recap: One overreaction to May's debut, one post mocking said overreaction, and one infrequent poster whose humor doesn't play at TD.

 

#ohjokes,igetjokes!

Mozart had that problem, too.

[biscuit]

Correia?  Milone? Meh. Big question - will they get anyone worthwhile from Dodgers?

[chuchadoro]

Mozart had that problem, too.

Finally there's someone who gets me!

[Mike Sixel]

I will say this about the front office this year, the lower end pairs are better, which is good. But, there aren't many telly good players here yet. It is great they for Milone, but that isn't going to fox things here. Yes, every little improvement matters, but they have a ways to go yet.

[kab21]

Who hated KC? What people hated, IMO, was that Ryan made him the best starter through his actions two years ago. As a fifth starter, I HS no problem with him. As for the May comments, ugh. Really? Judging after one strt, and straw manning what others expected? Sometimes this site is depressing. I am glad they made room for Milone. That is what awful teams do at the end of the year, call up the possible future to gather major league information, and to prep for the future. Which hopefully will actually come here some day.

 

2013 was an awful offseason for starting pitchers.  There were 2 high dollar FA's and a bunch of crap in the 10-50M range.  The Twins could have spent more money for more years and they would have gotten the same results or worse.  Short of a mega contract (I made a case for ignoring the whole FA market and signing Greinke) or a trade that gutted the farm system there weren't a lot of options.

[tobi0040]

2013 was an awful offseason for starting pitchers.  There were 2 high dollar FA's and a bunch of crap in the 10-50M range.  The Twins could have spent more money for more years and they would have gotten the same results or worse.  Short of a mega contract (I made a case for ignoring the whole FA market and signing Greinke) or a trade that gutted the farm system there weren't a lot of options.

 

2013 was an awful offseason for starting pitchers.  There were 2 high dollar FA's and a bunch of crap in the 10-50M range.  The Twins could have spent more money for more years and they would have gotten the same results or worse.  Short of a mega contract (I made a case for ignoring the whole FA market and signing Greinke) or a trade that gutted the farm system there weren't a lot of options.

 

I agree, Kevin was what we could have hoped for.  It is just that we needed better and he is what we signed. Not his fault.

[Trautmann13]

BREAKING: Dodgers will be sending a partially used softball signed by legend Drew Butera to Minnesota in exchange for Kevin Correia. Signs are pointing to this being the most lopsided trade in history. Terry Ryan has secured his job with this blockbuster!

[Mike Sixel]

2013 was an awful offseason for starting pitchers.  There were 2 high dollar FA's and a bunch of crap in the 10-50M range.  The Twins could have spent more money for more years and they would have gotten the same results or worse.  Short of a mega contract (I made a case for ignoring the whole FA market and signing Greinke) or a trade that gutted the farm system there weren't a lot of options.

Not sure how that changes my point. People tend to want more than fifth starters when their team has none.

[kab21]

Not sure how that changes my point. People tend to want more than fifth starters when their team has none.

 

So TR is a wizard and can conjure something up out of nothing?

 

The complaints about KC and TR have been that the Twins aimed low and addressed their biggest problem with a #5 starter.  That was the reality of the starting pitching market that year.  Neither TR nor KC should get any of the crap they have gotten about signing KC.

[gil4]

Hughes, Gibson, May, Millone. I like the rotation through the first 4 so far! Heck, in '87 I only liked the first two names in our rotation at the end of that season!

You didn't like Les Straker as the #3?

[stringer bell]

So TR is a wizard and can conjure something up out of nothing?

 

The complaints about KC and TR have been that the Twins aimed low and addressed their biggest problem with a #5 starter.  That was the reality of the starting pitching market that year.  Neither TR nor KC should get any of the crap they have gotten about signing KC.

Kevin Correia was what the Twins paid for. What sticks in my mind is that Ryan said he was "a pretty darn good starting pitcher" or something to that effect. That quote and the one making reference to Willingham's contract as huge when in total dollars and annual salary, it barely registered in the top 30, always bothered me. Edited August 11, 2014 by stringer bell

[drjim]

So TR is a wizard and can conjure something up out of nothing?

 

The complaints about KC and TR have been that the Twins aimed low and addressed their biggest problem with a #5 starter. That was the reality of the starting pitching market that year. Neither TR nor KC should get any of the crap they have gotten about signing KC.

Good luck getting this point to stick. People will always criticize Ryan for not signing pitchers who didn't exist.

 

It was Grienke or Sanchez, whose contract is looking worse with each injury (as expected). And expecting the Twins to outbid the Dodgers always struck me as a little unrealistic.

[drjim]

Kevin Correia was what the Twins paid for. What sticks in my mind is that Ryan said he was "a pretty darn good starting pitcher" or something to that effect. That quote and the one making reference to Willingham's contract as huge when in total dollars and annual salary, it barely registered in the top 30, always bothered me.

What should he have said?

[stringer bell]

What should he have said?

"Kevin Correia is a durable, reliable starting pitcher. He takes the ball every fifth day and gives his club lots of innings."

[drjim]

"Kevin Correia is a durable, reliable starting pitcher. He takes the ball every fifth day and gives his club lots of innings."

Fair enough. I just don't see much of a difference in practical terms. But I also don't take statements by front office people all that seriously.

[LaBombo]

"...and his sarcasm detector can sometimes be dulled by the argumentative nature of his TD persona)". To recap: One overreaction to May's debut, one post mocking said overreaction, and one infrequent poster whose humor doesn't play at TD. #ohjokes,igetjokes!

Who you callin' argumentative, Bub?

 

As for TD not picking up on your sense of humor, well, sometimes it takes a while for visionaries to be appreciated.  Don't be afraid.  Lenny Bruce wasn't.

[Mike Sixel]

No, he is not a wizard. That makes the off season no more a winner. They got a bad pitcher and were bad. Are we supposed to like that? I don't know how that thought can't stick. They were so awful, that we are supposed to be happy they signed bad pithers?

[Craig Arko]

Parker, please propose a palliative pithy pitcher, posthaste.

 

Plaintively, playfully, parodied to please previous posters.

 

 

P.S. - and I didn't call you Nick.

Edited August 11, 2014 by CRArko

[drjim]

No, he is not a wizard. That makes the off season no more a winner. They got a bad pitcher and were bad. Are we supposed to like that? I don't know how that thought can't stick. They were so awful, that we are supposed to be happy they signed bad pithers?

So you would have preferred worse pitchers? Or no pitchers?

 

Poor decisions before that offseason clearly put the franchise in a terrible position and Ryan did about the best he could with what he had to work with.

[Mike Sixel]

I guess it didn't matter. They still were the worst SP in the league. They still lost 90 games. In the long run, all it did was, nothing, I guess. Irrationally, I was bothered by St. Peter's smugness "we will play meaningful games in September", and the incongruity of the actual effort to improve the team. I understand that shouldn't bother me. I understand that I was smart enough to know that just wasn't true. But, they claimed to be trying to win. They kept Willingham and Doumit. They didn't really commit to rebuild, they seemed to actually think they could win. And, to me, KC's signing was not consistent with that, and it bothered me. Still does. And, it is irrational, because I knew that they would be bad.....

 

Me? I would have tried to win Greinke. But I understand I will never be in charge of this team, and I didn't expect to try. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

So TR is a wizard and can conjure something up out of nothing?

 

The complaints about KC and TR have been that the Twins aimed low and addressed their biggest problem with a #5 starter.  That was the reality of the starting pitching market that year.  Neither TR nor KC should get any of the crap they have gotten about signing KC.

Well, if you limit this examination of Twins decision-making to free agents available in December 2012, sure, KC was probably as good as the Twins were going to do without a huge contractual commitment.

 

But -- it's not like the names in this particular FA market were a surprise to anyone.  The rules for FA were not changed, they were all 6+ year veterans, known for a year-plus as likely FA.  But the previous offseason, the Twins did even less despite having similar serious impending rotation issues.

 

As soon as TR took over after 2011, the Twins entered slow rebuild mode, which meant roll the dice with whatever's left under contract while restocking the minor leagues, augmenting with only bargain bin FAs when absolutely necessary.  That's how our 2013 rotation (and team) came to be, not through one poor FA SP class.  And those critical of the KC signing generally object to the slow rebuild, or at least committing so exclusively to it.