Article: Today's Official Trade Deadline Discussion

[S.]

Awful trade for the Rays. 

 

Another disappointing deadline for the Twins unless there were some deals that we haven't heard about yet. 2015 opening day Twins rotation of Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Milone, Pelfrey? Someone call me in 2016 when we finally see some prospects.

[James]

Awful trade for the Rays. 

 

Another disappointing deadline for the Twins unless there were some deals that we haven't heard about yet. 2015 opening day Twins rotation of Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Milone, Pelfrey? Someone call me in 2016 when we finally see some prospects.

I have a feeling that Pelfrey isn't making the rotation next year.  I could see him landing as a bullpen guy.

[nater79a]

Awful trade for the Rays. 

 

Another disappointing deadline for the Twins unless there were some deals that we haven't heard about yet. 2015 opening day Twins rotation of Hughes, Nolasco, Gibson, Milone, Pelfrey? Someone call me in 2016 when we finally see some prospects.

 

 

There'll be room for May/Meyer in the '15  rotation.  Need more than 5 guys to get through season.  Guys go on DL all the time.

[Oxtung]

I'm confused by the deal. I don't know much about Franklin, except that he's a solid MI.  Smyly has a 3.92 ERA in 35 G as a starter.  Milone has a 3.85 ERA in 72 G.  We got Milone for Fuld. TB got Smyly (and Franklin) for one of the top SP of this era?  There's more to this, but I wouldn't be happy as a Rays fan.

 

 

Smyly is a better pitcher than Milone who was helped a lot by playing in Oaklands ginormous stadium.  Franklin is very highly thought of its just that he was blocked in Seattle when they signed Cano.  That said I agree that, even with the Aball SS, the Rays could have done better.  If this was the best available wait until the off season.  

 

My point was the Twins could have fairly easily matched this offer (or even improved upon it) and had exclusive negotiating rights with one of the premier pitchers in the majors for a year.  If something couldn't be worked out there were also respectable fall back positions.  There is a lot of potential in the Twins system but a rotation next year of:

 

Price

Meyer

May

Gibson/Nolasco/Hughes

 

seems VERY attractive to me.  Depending on how Meyer and May adapt that could be pretty formidable as well.  There's a chance that's enough to put the Twins in the playoff picture.  If the Twins are in contention you probably see Buxton and Sano up sooner than later as well next season.  

Edited July 31, 2014 by Oxtung

[S.]

You're gonna need a better argument than "guys go on the DL all the time" to defend the FO if that is the 2015 opening day rotation.

[Willihammer]

I find it unlikely that Suzuki agreed to a contract with a PA-based incentive in order to be a backup, or split much time at all, with Pinto (or anyone else)

[nater79a]

You're gonna need a better argument than "guys go on the DL all the time" to defend the FO if that is the 2015 opening day rotation.

 

Not defending FO.  Hey, what if Pelfry is a stud next season?  Can't possibly know if he will or won't be.  

[Mike Sixel]

Not defending FO.  Hey, what if Pelfry is a stud next season?  Can't possibly know if he will or won't be.  

 

Well, we can look at the last four years, apply aging and recovery from yet another injury, and reach some educated conclusions.....

[Oxtung]

Not defending FO.  Hey, what if Pelfry is a stud next season?  Can't possibly know if he will or won't be.  

 

You're right we can't know for sure but the fact that he has been significantly below average during his 9 year career and that he's coming off an injury all point to a pretty poor 2015 for Mr. Pelfrey.

[John Bonnes]

All in all, I'd give Ryan a B+ for this deadline, pending announcement of Suzuki's terms. Great move with Fuld, decent move locking up Suzuki. Not gonna ding him much for failing to move roster fodder.

 

I like this game. I'd be interested in others' takes.

 

I'd also go B+ and maybe A-:

• The Milone-Fuld deal might have been the best trade of the day for a dumping team. 
• I like that extension for Suzuki very much. If it was on the table, I would've signed it two weeks ago. It feels like Suzuki's side backed down on this one. 
• I would've liked to have seen a deal for Willingham. I think we will, by the way, even if it's just having someone claim him on waivers. The Twins still having that salary on the books on August 1st really surprises me. 

[Mike Sixel]

An A for the Fuld trade, really amazing to me, frankly.

 

Not a fan of the Suzuki signing, but if they won't play Pinto, it is a B I guess.

 

Still having to watch KC instead of May and Meyer, F.

Willingham still here? D

 

I weight the Fuld trade the strongest, so I guess it is a B from me, though that seems like a hollow B, frankly. They added a league median or slight worse pitcher (outside Oak), and signed a catcher over 30 that was AWFUL the two years before this. 

 

I don't see much that really FIXES things, but the Milone trade is just mind bogglingly good....

Edited July 31, 2014 by mike wants wins

[James]

I think that I'd give him a B+ as well.

 

I like the Milone/Fuld trade.  The Suzuki extension is fine.  It's never going to really be any sort of burden for the team.  I thought they missed an opportunity to trade Duensing.  There were teams out there that were looking for left handed relievers, but it's not a big enough issue to knock TR too much.  He's a guy that could still go in August.  Willingham didn't seem to have a lot of suitors, but if some team like the Yankees finds that they still need some outfield power, an August trade is still pretty likely.  

 

Overall, good trade deadline for the team.  Good, not great. 

[Willihammer]

Sorry to nitpick but do we have any reason to believe the Suzuki extension was related to the trade deadline? I would judge them separately:

 

A on the Fuld trade - I'm not that familiar with Milone but looks good on paper.

D on the Suzuki extension - the other day TR said there were other things they valued besides framing, and mentioned durability. Well, hope they are ok with 1800 PAs at a .690 OPS and no added defensive value from the catching spot for the next three years. Suzuki just doesn't break and with $6m up for grabs, he most definitely won't.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Willihammer

[iTwins]

I'd rate the day a solid B.

 

The Milone / Fuld trade was a great move by the front office. Flipping a waiver pick up for legit starting pitching depth is quite the accomplishment - not to mention, the flip happend only a few months after they picked Fuld up...incredible.

 

With the dollar amount now official, I'm okay with the Suzuki extension. I didn't love extending a guy off a career year when his numbers point to this being a rare offensive season - but I'm not going to be upset over paying $6 million per year to a solid starting catcher.

 

What keeps the Twins from scoring an "A" in my 'completely made up, no one really cares' grading curve is the lack of movement on the Willingham front. It's entirely possible the Twins didn't have a partner to dance with, but I'd really hoped they'd be able to move Hammer before the deadline. There's always the waiver route in August, I suppose.

 

Correia will be August trade bait - heck, the team could cut and run if someone claims him. At that point, the spot for May, Meyer or Milone would be the most valuable return.

Edited July 31, 2014 by iTwins

[LaBombo]

There was ZERO buzz surrounding the Twins as the deadline approached. Either they played their cards very close to the vest (and something is coming)...or they just didn't play at all. If Suzuki isn't signed to an extension before season's end, this will have been a mighty failure by the front office.

Willngham appeared on several lists of 'most likely to be traded' lists before his July crash.  Too bad they didn't make a push to move him sooner, but considering they got zero for Cuddy or Kubel, not terribly surprising.

[teekz]

An A for the Fuld trade, really amazing to me, frankly.

 

Not a fan of the Suzuki signing, but if they won't play Pinto, it is a B I guess.

 

Still having to watch KC instead of May and Meyer, F.

Willingham still here? D

 

I weight the Fuld trade the strongest, so I guess it is a B from me, though that seems like a hollow B, frankly. They added a league median or slight worse pitcher (outside Oak), and signed a catcher over 30 that was AWFUL the two years before this. 

 

I don't see much that really FIXES things, but the Milone trade is just mind bogglingly good....

Who do you think they were going to be able to trade Correia and Willingham to?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Sorry to nitpick but do we have any reason to believe the Suzuki extension was related to the trade deadline?

 

I think it was pretty clearly tied to the deadline. When was the last time you heard of a guy involved in extension talks that died, was bandied about the rumor mill for two weeks, and then suddenly signed an extension within hours of the deadline?

 

When's the last time you heard of a guy signing an extension within hours of the deadline, period?

 

Most GMs are kinda busy that day and don't have the time to talk contracts with guys they don't plan to trade.

[Oxtung]

I think what the Twins do in the next week or two will determine how this trade seasons gets graded.  If they move Correia/Willingham/bullpen arms then it will have been a good "haul".  If they simply cut bait with some of them that's fine too.  As long as May and some of the AAA bullpen arms are up in the next week I'm ok with the rest.

[iastfan112]

B-
Love the Fuld trade, somewhat dislike the Suzuki extension, and am frustrated that once again the Twins have a number of players who have no future with the team on the roster going into August.

[Brandon]

Andrew Miller is being traded to the Orioles...curious to see how expensive he was - other than Parmalee - the guy is lights out on LH's. He's a free agent after 2015.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/millean01.shtml

He was traded for the Orioles #3 prospect Eddie Rodriguez or something like that.  I am terrible at remembering names.  but the Twins tried to get him for Willingham last year.  I do remember that.

[Target Field of Dreams]

I think we are all disappointed that Correia and Willingham are still on the roster, but given their recent performance, or in the case of Correia, career performance, what contender would have wanted to trade for them? They are both unfortunately currently below average players that have little value to any team, which is why we want to dump them so bad. We can't fault Terry for not unloading them if nobody wanted them. 

 

Hopefully we either ship them out via waivers, or some other method at this point though to bring up some of the younger guys. If Correia continues stealing starts from Meyer and May then I will be angry. So we couldn't trade him...now do the right thing and cut bait regardless as he is not a part of the future and that is what we need to focus on now.

[Oxtung]

Another trade that wasn't reported here is the Miami-Houston trade.  Jarred Cosart (plus 2 minor leaguers) to Miami for Colin Moran (6th overall in 2013 draft; 3B) and Jake Marisnick (decent OF prospect) and rookie ball flyer.  

 

Would you have traded Gibson, Parmelee/Colabello and Nunez for Moran and Marisnick?

 

I think I would have pulled that trigger.  Gibson is walking a very thin tightrope currently and while he has potential to improve Marisnick would slot immediately into CF slot next to Arcia and Moran has All Star potential.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Oxtung

[Target Field of Dreams]

I'd say B+ given the situation with how terrible most of our trade pieces actually were/are

[teekz]

I wouldn't be surprised if Correia or Willingham are moved mid-August. They seem like perfect waiver deal guys. But then again, I'm not sure anyone is even going to want them.

[Mike Sixel]

Who do you think they were going to be able to trade Correia and Willingham to?

 

I'd cut KC, or move him to the pen. It isn't my job to figure out where to send them......I have no idea. KC has no place on a rebuilding team, with May and Meyer sitting in AAA.

[Monkeypaws]

Who do you think they were going to be able to trade Correia and Willingham to?

Exactly - it is quite possible that NOBODY wanted them.

 

Maybe, possibly, perhaps other teams GMs are as smart as the fans at Twins Daily who were desperate to rid themselves of this deadwood.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Maybe, possibly, perhaps other teams GMs are as smart as the fans at Twins Daily who were desperate to rid themselves of this deadwood.

 

Heh. Exactly.

 

"This guy sucks, trade him!"

 

*one week later*

 

"Ryan is bad at his job, he couldn't trade the guy who sucks!"

 

Wait, wut?

 

I think Willingham will be moved in August, as he has bench value. Correia? Yeesh, after his last few starts I don't see anyone trading for his services unless they need a swingman out of the bullpen to mop up innings but that isn't a position contending teams are clamoring to fill in mid-August.

[Winston Smith]

"Ryan is bad at his job, he couldn't trade the guy who sucks!"

 

When he's a guy you signed and he sucks you should shoulder some fault. 

[whydidnt]

I'm giving this a B, almost went with a B-, but landing Milone for Fuld is a good thing. I'm indifferent about the Suzuki deal, think we overpaid, by a little, but since we are always under budget anyway, what difference does it make? Would love to hear what they were offered for him so could make a more informed decision, but we will probably never really know. Disappointed we couldn't move Willingham, Duensing, Burton or Correia though. I know there probably wasn't a market for these guys, but part of Ryan's job is to create a market when one doesn't exist. Call the Yankees and say you've been talking with Baltimore &Tampa about  Willngham, are they interested in getting in before he goes to their competitor?

 

At this point, I'm not sure why they don't just cut Corriea. He won't be back next year, he's not pitching well, and they have a bunch of guys that could use some Major League experience. I also don't see any point in keeping guys like Willingham and Callabello around. Drop one of them, call up Pinto, and make him your DH. Put Vargas at 1B and move Parmelee to one of the corner OF spots. August is a good time to evaluate these guys to see if they are part of a future solution, as they won't be facing watered down September lineups. 

[whydidnt]

"Ryan is bad at his job, he couldn't trade the guy who sucks!"

 

When he's a guy you signed and he sucks you should shoulder some fault. 

My thoughts exactly. Ryan is the one who gave Corriea a two year deal. If he's unable to get a single sniff for him 1/2 way through the 2nd season, who's fault is that? It's not like he's hurt, he's just pitching like Kevin Correia always has.