Heyman: Twins expect to move Hammer Correia after break

[gunnarthor]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24608603/willingham-correia-expected-to-hit-market-barring-twins-turnaround

 

Not really news but sorta news. Twins will be listening to offers on Hammer and Correia after the ASB. Hammer will be one of the better RH power options on the market but Correia will be harder to move.

[TKGuy]

Here's hoping they both get hot

[B Richard]

That should get us some fresh balls for BP. I like the move

[cmathewson]

I think Hammer should return something more than a bucket of balls. Not sure about Correia. The Yankees might be a fit, with the news that Sabathia is done and the poor performances of his replacement.

[Brock Beauchamp]

If Ryan can get something for Sweet Drew, I'm sure he can get something for the sunshine band.

[TheLeviathan]

Man do I hope this is true. Watching guys nearing 40 play their way to 90 losses does get depressing.

[old nurse]

Man do I hope this is true. Watching guys nearing 40 play their way to 90 losses does get depressing.

It is much more exciting to see 25 year old players battle to hit even the Mendoza line

[pierre75275]

I hope that isnt all they plan on moving. I would add Guerrier to that list and possibly Duensing. I believe the Twins non tender Duensing and then re sign him in the offseason anyway. I would add Burton to this list but I honestly believe there simply is no market for him and that if he were packaged the return might be less.

[Winston Smith]

"..... but they are starting to tell teams that if they aren't contending later this month they'll make outfielder Josh Willingham and right-handed starter Kevin Correia available...."

 

Somebody really has to have a talk with Terry and tell him this team is not a playoff contender!

[Thrylos]

Heyman is one of the most frustrating national writers to read, because he is using useless numbers to make his arguments. Ergo:

 

(Willingham) is hitting just .228 with seven home runs and 23 RBI this year.

 

Willingham missed a whole bunch of games and that hurt his HR total. He really is "hitting" .229/.377/.458 for .835 OPS and 133 OPS+ How many hitters are available out there with 133 OPS+ ?

 

Correia, who is 5-10 with a 4.95 ERA

 

that 5-10 is as relevant for Correia as 6-3 (his listed height), and not to mention wrong. His record is 4-10. BUT. His FIP is 4.11, which is less than his All Star year (it was 4.85) and his best since 2009. A pitcher to build your rotation around? No. But he is better than the likes of Chris Capuano (signed by the Dodgers last week) and AAAA starters to be the fifth starter in a competitive team. If someone is willing to sign Chris Capuano, they should be willing to give something for Correia. Not that hard of a sell...

[gunnarthor]

Heyman is one of the most frustrating national writers to read, because he is using useless numbers to make his arguments. Ergo:

 

I don't think anyone reads Heyman for stats. He's one of the better plugged in writers in baseball and when he says the Twins will make Hammer available it probably has a lot more authority when some internet blogger says the Twins will resign Scott Baker. :-)

 

I think, so long as he stays healthy, Hammer will have real value since RH power is one of the hardest things to find right now and offense in general is down. And Ryan was able to get something for Liriano, Buetera, Morneau so I think he'll get something for Correia. I do hope he listens on offers for Dozier since, with Rosario, Polanco, Santana, Gordon we should be able to replace him and I think he could get us a really good piece back. But we'll see.

[TheLeviathan]

It is much more exciting to see 25 year old players battle to hit even the Mendoza line

 

Whose fault is that? Get rid of both of these inane tendencies.

[twinsnorth49]

Whatever they return, there's a good chance it won't be any less than what these guys have left to contribute in any meaningful way. They have no business on the 2015 roster so it's time to turn them into something that even remotely could be.

[Roaddog]

Correia may not be that hard. He is a Vet arm that did ok in the NL. Hammer is a guy that should get some serious attention.

[Tibs]

The Yankees designated Alfonso Soriano for assignment

[old nurse]

Whose fault is that? Get rid of both of these inane tendencies.

 

There are 99 players hitting below .220 with at least 50 AB. There are 135 players with 50 AB who don't even have a positive WAR. 220 out of a possible 430 are below 0.5 WAR. There are a lot of marginal players out there. It is a problem every team has. Who's fault is it? Blame Brayce Hemmeigarn. You can't blame one person.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Heyman is one of the most frustrating national writers to read, because he is using useless numbers to make his arguments. Ergo:

 

 

 

Willingham missed a whole bunch of games and that hurt his HR total. He really is "hitting" .229/.377/.458 for .835 OPS and 133 OPS+ How many hitters are available out there with 133 OPS+ ?

 

 

 

that 5-10 is as relevant for Correia as 6-3 (his listed height), and not to mention wrong. His record is 4-10. BUT. His FIP is 4.11, which is less than his All Star year (it was 4.85) and his best since 2009. A pitcher to build your rotation around? No. But he is better than the likes of Chris Capuano (signed by the Dodgers last week) and AAAA starters to be the fifth starter in a competitive team. If someone is willing to sign Chris Capuano, they should be willing to give something for Correia. Not that hard of a sell...

 

Exactly.

[Mike Sixel]

Why wait? If they lose out on trade possibilities because of some silly deadline they self impose, that would be bad management.....which would not surprise me after the last two offseasons.

[Thrylos]

Ftfy:

 

why wait? If they lose out on trade possibilities because of some silly deadline they self impose, that would be bad management.....which would not surprise me after the last twenty offseasons.

[TheLeviathan]

There are 99 players hitting below .220 with at least 50 AB. There are 135 players with 50 AB who don't even have a positive WAR. 220 out of a possible 430 are below 0.5 WAR. There are a lot of marginal players out there. It is a problem every team has. Who's fault is it? Blame Brayce Hemmeigarn. You can't blame one person.

 

Absolutely, but the goal of a GM should be to reduce the number of marginal players. So not sure what you're defending here - we don't want those players. Nor should we want guys nearing 40 who aren't helping you win.

[old nurse]

Absolutely, but the goal of a GM should be to reduce the number of marginal players. So not sure what you're defending here - we don't want those players. Nor should we want guys nearing 40 who aren't helping you win.

 

Your op was you didn't want to watch players who are near 40 playing. I did not know that 35 was the new 40.

By any definition it is not like the 35 year old players currently on the team are holding any prospect back. In their absence, no one stepped forward to take the job. They are not even statistically the worse playing players on the team. Now if 31 is the new 40, then you have a case. You will also really limit your pool of players. Half of the players that picked up the bat for 50 AB weren't very good. Every team has the problem of having marginal players. Complain all you want about having some poor players? Where do you expect to get them from for this year? On a short term deal age is irrelevant for a fringe player. What can they do to help your team now because they are replaceable. Who has stepped forward to replace Willingham, who is more than a fringe playe? No one. .

 

In all unseriousness, is there a reason you want to see only young men play baseball?

[TheLeviathan]

In all unseriousness, is there a reason you want to see only young men play baseball?

 

If I'm going to watch bad baseball and try to hope for the future....it's sure as hell a lot easier to convince myself it'll get better when the guys aren't 35-40. Especially if they have zero trade value potential.

[Mike Sixel]

People are arguing old, bad players with no hope, is more fun than watching young guys that might be good? This team is a mess, no one up from the minors, no one in AAA or AA that can crack one of the worst rosters in the game, and terrible FA signings other than one this year. Bring on the youth and hope already.

[old nurse]

People are arguing old, bad players with no hope, is more fun than watching young guys that might be good? This team is a mess, no one up from the minors, no one in AAA or AA that can crack one of the worst rosters in the game, and terrible FA signings other than one this year. Bring on the youth and hope already.

 

The argument is field the best team possible.

The attendance for the 1999 and 2000 Twins was so poor they talked of contraction. The fan base did not appear to eant youth and hope.

[old nurse]

If I'm going to watch bad baseball and try to hope for the future....it's sure as hell a lot easier to convince myself it'll get better when the guys aren't 35-40. Especially if they have zero trade value potential.

 

So you didn't care much for the Steinbach and Molitor era of the Twins? You were out there supporting the 99-2000 Twins?

35-40 year old players with no trade value generally do not make an mlb team for long. Those that do generally have a long term contract from when they were good. Ryan is not going to do that. With 4 more years of Mauer and if Nolasco turns out to be a bad contract I doubt Ryan will sign anyone to a 4 year contract. I doubt the Twins will ever have a 35-40 year old with a bloated contract that makes them untradeable.

[TheLeviathan]

So you didn't care much for the Steinbach and Molitor era of the Twins? You were out there supporting the 99-2000 Twins?

 

I tried, HARD, a a kid to care about those mid-90s teams. But no, my spark for baseball didn't renew until 99. I was thrilled to be done with the days of Otis Nixon and welcomed Rich Becker. For good or bad, it was fun to see potential and not a bunch of guys on the downhill of their career.

 

Ryan hasn't handed out bloated deals, he's handed out dumb ones to old players or guys with minimal upside. That's why our average roster age is getting older, not younger despite being three years into a rebuild.

[gunnarthor]

I tried, HARD, a a kid to care about those mid-90s teams. But no, my spark for baseball didn't renew until 99. I was thrilled to be done with the days of Otis Nixon and welcomed Rich Becker. For good or bad, it was fun to see potential and not a bunch of guys on the downhill of their career..

?? Rich Becker was part of those mid-90s teams and was traded off after the 97 season. Otis Nixon played on the 98 Twins.

[TheLeviathan]

?? Rich Becker was part of those mid-90s teams and was traded off after the 97 season. Otis Nixon played on the 98 Twins.

 

I didn't fact check the players, just picked a younger player from those days. 1999 was a change for the better - Dougie M, Guzman, etc. No more old crap...roll with some youth and hope.