Any Roster News

[jokin]

Given the weather situation, they'd be crazy to make a roster move until they absolutely know whether tonight's game is going to be played (or at least started). If it's not, Pino might not even be the starter they decide to promote. If they don't make the game up with a doubleheader this weekend, they wouldn't necessarily even need to promote anybody until the next time Deduno's spot comes up in the rotation.

 

 

Given how short-handed the Twins are and reeling... and with the Sox coming back in July....with a mutual open date on Monday, July 28, it seems logical to call tonight's game.

 

Dave St. Peter @TwinsPrez · 52m

Depends if / when storms re-develop RT @gadfly2727: any idea when we’ll know if it’s gonna be played or not.

[amjgt]

We've been using this "he's not part of the future" line for a couple years now, and I think it's just about time to stop using it. The Twins have shown to be relatively competitive this year and the future is close enough at this point that I'm done thinking that way.

 

More importantly, however, very few moves the Twins have done this year show that they in "he's not part of the future" mode, so I would be very surprised if they do transactions based on it.

[The Wise One]

Ehhhh, I'd tread carefully. Thrylos knows his/hers stuff. Do I know Thrylos well enough to know gender? No. Do I know well enough to trust statistical analysis? Yes.

 

besides, you're using conventional wisdom for starters on a releiver. His xFIP suggests his BABIP will regress to the mean and his ERA will balloon. It's not a week or month hot streak, true, but he has a total of 76 appearances in the bigs. Far too small to trust over math.

 

Thyrlos will cherry pick his stats like anyone else here does to provide support for his position. The math that Thyrlos cites come from the sample size you just called small. What does that make the math then but inaccurate?

[tobi0040]

We've been using this "he's not part of the future" line for a couple years now, and I think it's just about time to stop using it. The Twins have shown to be relatively competitive this year and the future is close enough at this point that I'm done thinking that way.

 

More importantly, however, very few moves the Twins have done this year show that they in "he's not part of the future" mode, so I would be very surprised if they do transactions based on it.

 

We are definitely in two different places. I don't see this team as a playoff team. I think we have out-performed to get where we are and we are on pace for 74 wins. 6.5 games may seem "close", but 6.5 games behind four teams, a few of which are clearly better is a long ways. I expect the gap to grow, not tighten.

 

If you believe this is not a playoff team, I think it is prudent to look at 33 and 35 year old players on their last year and move them. If you aren't there I respect that though.

[amjgt]

I guess I just feel like there is value in getting 76 wins this year rather than 68.

 

The logical part of me knows that there is value in only getting 68 wins in terms of better draft picks, more money for international free agents, and only giving up a 2nd round pick for a QO player instead of a 1st round pick.

 

But at some point we just need to be competitive again before we can be good again. I feel like this year could be the year we are competitive. With the unfortunate injuries to our best prospects, it could be that next year also has to be a "competitive" year, with the "good" year coming in 2016.

 

Does it make organizational sense to be as good as possible this year? Probably not. But I'm ready to not suck.

[tobi0040]

I guess I just feel like there is value in getting 76 wins this year rather than 68.

 

The logical part of me knows that there is value in only getting 68 wins in terms of better draft picks, more money for international free agents, and only giving up a 2nd round pick for a QO player instead of a 1st round pick.

 

But at some point we just need to be competitive again before we can be good again. I feel like this year could be the year we are competitive. With the unfortunate injuries to our best prospects, it could be that next year also has to be a "competitive" year, with the "good" year coming in 2016.

 

Does it make organizational sense to be as good as possible this year? Probably not. But I'm ready to not suck.

 

Pro's and con's each way certainly. For me trading these guys is more about getting players reps that are going to be here next year and need to be developed (versus what we can expect in return).

[cmathewson]

I guess I just feel like there is value in getting 76 wins this year rather than 68.

 

The logical part of me knows that there is value in only getting 68 wins in terms of better draft picks, more money for international free agents, and only giving up a 2nd round pick for a QO player instead of a 1st round pick.

 

But at some point we just need to be competitive again before we can be good again. I feel like this year could be the year we are competitive. With the unfortunate injuries to our best prospects, it could be that next year also has to be a "competitive" year, with the "good" year coming in 2016.

 

Does it make organizational sense to be as good as possible this year? Probably not. But I'm ready to not suck.

 

I don't think removing Burton or Guerrier is about whether they are part of the future. Relievers come and go so fast, age is not really a huge issue. For the present, we can win more games with other pitchers in the organization, imho. That is why I would want to make those moves. If the new guys are younger, all the better.

[amjgt]

I'm about to contradict myself a little...

 

I have no problem trading our guys if that moves us down a few wins.

It's the DFA, 25-man, and 40-man and AAA vs Majors moves that I'm talking about no longer wanting to be governed by "he's not part of our future"

[amjgt]

I don't think removing Burton or Guerrier is about whether they are part of the future. Relievers come and go so fast, age is not really a huge issue. For the present, we can win more games with other pitchers in the organization, imho. That is why I would want to make those moves. If the new guys are younger, all the better.

 

It was framed as "not part of the future", though.

 

I totally agree with you that there are guys who could be called up right now that will do a better job than those two guys. And, frankly, they probably aren't being called up right now because management feels as though leaving them at AAA for now actually benefit's their futures

[ScottyB]

Nunez to DL - Pelfrey to 60-day answers the question just announced

[Otto von Ballpark]

Nunez to DL - Pelfrey to 60-day answers the question just announced

 

Went to the Twins official site for confirmation, and one of the top featured articles was "Nunez declares himself ready to return to lineup". Sorry Eduardo!

 

Guess I should just default to Twitter for such things now.

[jokin]

Went to the Twins official site for confirmation, and one of the top featured articles was "Nunez declares himself ready to return to lineup". Sorry Eduardo!

 

Guess I should just default to Twitter for such things now.

 

I've found the Twins website quite often to be the last to know about such things....

[ScottyB]

Before today's game (Sunday 6/22) Phil Miller indicated that the Twins were looking at cutting the bullpen down to 7 to add an extra bench player for this trip. Anyone hear anything about any changes?

[Seth Stohs]

Before today's game (Sunday 6/22) Phil Miller indicated that the Twins were looking at cutting the bullpen down to 7 to add an extra bench player for this trip. Anyone hear anything about any changes?

 

 

On his radio show this morning, Ron Gardenhire said they were talking about it. Then before the game, Terry Ryan told the reporters that they weren't necessarily going to.

 

My thought is that they will make a move, but who knows.

[TKGuy]

Which pitcher goes? I'd have to think Thielbar who has options or Sammy, who is now a duplicate of Swarzak. Burton and Guerrier are probably on short leashes but have pitched better of late

[ScottyB]

The bench is really weak right now - Florimon (who can't hit and plays only 1 position), Fryer (an adequate backup catcher), and an improving Parmelee. I miss Plouffe and Nunez.

[jokin]

The bench is really weak right now - Florimon (who can't hit and plays only 1 position), Fryer (an adequate backup catcher), and an improving Parmelee. I miss Plouffe and Nunez.

 

I am wondering if anyone at all would claim Florimon were he to be exposed? Or would he pique minor interest as a throw-in filler with another prime Twin target? The bench is horrendous right now, and short one man, time for some addition by subtraction and then by, new addition, to the 40- and 25-man roster for the road trip.

[curt1965]

I really hate to say it, but the Twins really miss Plouffe. Everything seems to flow from him-defense, batting order, and bench players. When he is back, Floriman goes back to Rochester, and TR can add a little fire-power to the bench.

[DJSim22]

What is the point of having Deduno and Swarzak in the pen? They are basically the same thing. Any chance the Twins swing a minor deal with one of them for a bench player?

[twinstalker]

It's not exactly cherry picking stats it's removing outliers which is what should be done in statistical analysis. That being said, a mid 4 era for a reliever is awful and the conclusion is the same, Burton is done and should be the first to go.

 

Along those lines, I wasn't happy with the Guerrier call up but now that he's here and performing okay I don't see the need to dump him when there are worse performers like Swarzak and Burton still on the roster. Same for Theilbar.

 

LOL. Now we're cherry-picking statistical practices. This method and any others you find convenient, by the way, are the reason people ignore good statistical analysis.

 

I've read on and see that you've backtracked a bit. The reality is that you could have a reason for potentially ignoring any games. Which of the hypothesized reasons might actually be valid are probably unknown. Personally, I would ignore all of our pitchers' stats against Miguel Cabrera and Mike Trout, since the rest of the league is not represented by them.

 

Jared Burton was awful early on, then settled into plain bad. The awful parts are very much in line with the rest of Burton's year. I mean, you can't load the bases and give up grand slams every outing, so doing so isn't so much an "outlier" as it is pretty much the maximum damage a reliever can incur, and the one's most likely to have this happen are those relievers with Burton-like stats (sure, exclude the worst when determining this).