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The guy gave up nine hits and a walk in six innings. Only struck out three. He got through the first two innings on sheer luck. It was not a good start. It was a lucky start.
I believe I read an article by one of these guys basically saying that Correia was unlucky thus far in the season. You would never credit my saying he gave up 6 runs but had bad defense behind him and the hits were all seeing eye grounders. Apparently bad luck is proof that he is bad and good luck is proof that he is bad. Getting out of jams and inducing ground ball double plays should not be considered proof that he was horrible. Again, 1 run in 6 innings at Yankee stadium. If it was lucky then that will run its course over the next couple starts. I was against his two year contract to start with, don't think he is all that great but he had a pretty good year last year and is trending in the right direction. Keep trending in the right direction and he should be gone soon through trade. Trend the other way for a couple games and he should be gone through demotion.. I love the idea of replacing him with a musical chairs sequence of prospects but if they actually did it and guys failed there would be an avalanche of criticism for doing so. I want to see May, I won't cry to never see Corriea again but I have patience and the knowledge that it is a long season and two weeks might provide a completely different view. I did like the 100's in the wallet comment. Chief gets a point.
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I believe I read an article by one of these guys basically saying that Correia was unlucky thus far in the season. You would never credit my saying he gave up 6 runs but had bad defense behind him and the hits were all seeing eye grounders. Apparently bad luck is proof that he is bad and good luck is proof that he is bad. Getting out of jams and inducing ground ball double plays should not be considered proof that he was horrible. Again, 1 run in 6 innings at Yankee stadium. If it was lucky then that will run its course over the next couple starts. I was against his two year contract to start with, don't think he is all that great but he had a pretty good year last year and is trending in the right direction. Keep trending in the right direction and he should be gone soon through trade. Trend the other way for a couple games and he should be gone through demotion.. I love the idea of replacing him with a musical chairs sequence of prospects but if they actually did it and guys failed there would be an avalanche of criticism for doing so. I want to see May, I won't cry to never see Corriea again but I have patience and the knowledge that it is a long season and two weeks might provide a completely different view. I did like the 100's in the wallet comment. Chief gets a point.

 

For Francisco Liriano, the Twins received Escobar and Pedro Hernandez. By contrast, the Twins would be extremely fortunate to receive one C prospect for Correia- I will be shocked if the Twins get anything of value for KC. (And I promise, maybe in the Strib you'll get some avalanchers, but not one knowledgeable Twins fan will be involved in criticism should a musical chair approach fall short of expectations. This is something the Twins HAVE to do.)

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Due to smart roster management I think Corriea should stay until at least the all star break. I was extremely against the 2nd season on his contract but Gibson could still implode or get hurt. Deduno could get hurt too. If we replace Corriea and that happens we will have all of the depth up from AAA that we have. There will be no where to go should one or 2 of these guys not be ready yet. This would also cripple the AAA Rochester season as right now they are highly competitive and would want to continue that as they haven't been too competitive for a while. After the allstar break we will have more certainty on Gibson and with fewer starts left there will be less time for injuries to cause major problems as by the time a replacement failed we would be near the end of the season. Right now there is too much season left. I am fine waiting till mid to late July before we start promoting up after trading Corriea. Plus if Corriea pitches better we could trade him to a contender like Toronto who is in contention and has an offense. but they will want to see better pitching from Corriea too. (Toronto is looking for a pitcher but doesn't want to give up a lot in prospects or pay a lot of money. Corriea is a fit if he improves. He hasn't been mentioned but others like Hammels has.)

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Due to smart roster management I think Corriea should stay until at least the all star break. I was extremely against the 2nd season on his contract but Gibson could still implode or get hurt. Deduno could get hurt too. If we replace Corriea and that happens we will have all of the depth up from AAA that we have. There will be no where to go should one or 2 of these guys not be ready yet. This would also cripple the AAA Rochester season as right now they are highly competitive and would want to continue that as they haven't been too competitive for a while. After the allstar break we will have more certainty on Gibson and with fewer starts left there will be less time for injuries to cause major problems as by the time a replacement failed we would be near the end of the season. Right now there is too much season left. I am fine waiting till mid to late July before we start promoting up after trading Corriea. Plus if Corriea pitches better we could trade him to a contender like Toronto who is in contention and has an offense. but they will want to see better pitching from Corriea too.

 

Except for the fact that Rochester was in the semifinals of the IL playoffs in 2013:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/league.cgi?id=0032a9b6

 

The Twins are very unlikely to "cripple" Rochester, barring an unprecedented streak of bad injury luck, the guys that are not ready would be sent back to Rochester, other guys currently on the Twins can be optioned or outrighted to Rochester. Pelfrey is not going anywhere this year, and will have a role if he regains his health. And there are arms in New Britain, such as Sean Gilmartin, Vasquez, Baxendale and Hamburger who can capably fill holes created in Rochester.

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A. Who cares about crippling Rochester?

B. They have Gilmartin who can come up to AAA, and probably another guy.

C. No, there would not be criticism for cutting one of the 5 worst SP in the majors, and replacing him with part of the future.

D. How bad does a player have to be, to be replaced, if not this bad?

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To be fair to Correia, he has been a bit unlucky. 5.87 ERA, 4.60 xFIP.

 

None of that matters. The Twins have packed not only the MLB rotation but also the AAA rotation. It's time to start shuffling around warm bodies for both the second half of 2014 and all of 2015.

 

More and more every day, this team looks to be on the cusp of returning to relevance. Continue that process by jettisoning the flotsam of the roster, and that means guys like Jason Kubel and Kevin Correia need to go and need to be replaced by players who are not only younger, but will likely be better.

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Jettison list:

Correia

Guerrier

Kubel

 

Addition list:

May

Johnson (Deduno to the pen)

Vargas?

 

I think Johnson has outpitched Meyer, is on the 40-man, and it would be nice to have a lefty in there.

 

Vargas is on the 40-man and raking in New Britain, but I would want him to DH most of the time if he was called up.

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Deduno has an ERA+ of 104 right now and is finally stretched out for the rotation.

 

If you're trying to win this season, why would you remove that guy from the rotation? Get rid of the obvious albatross in Correia, then see if other moves need to be made.

 

I agree that the first item on the agenda is replacing Correia with May. I just think Deduno is a ticking time bomb, who could be very effective (and less susceptible to injury) as a swing man and spot starter. They probably won't do anything until they have to. But why not be proactive? Also, have you seen how Johnson is dominating AAA? His numbers in May rival May's.

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I agree that the first item on the agenda is replacing Correia with May. I just think Deduno is a ticking time bomb, who could be very effective (and less susceptible to injury) as a swing man and spot starter. They probably won't do anything until they have to. But why not be proactive?

 

It's only proactive if Deduno implodes. If he continues pitching well out of the rotation, then it's marginalizing a guy's value.

 

I'm not against making that move in July if it needs to be made but I don't see a reason to do it right now (and it seems you don't really disagree with that).

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I seem to recall several discussions in the offseason in which you questioned whether crappy veterans blocked good prospects. This seems like a legit case. It is more the norm than the exception in this organization.
Crappy veterens don't block prospects. GMs and managers block prospects.
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In consideration of depth... The Twins starting rotation is pretty simple to me right now.

 

Don't mess with your depth... You never know when someone wakes up in the morning with a barking elbow. It happens all the time and it's going to happen to someone... Sooner rather than later.

 

As for this moment... Right now... One issue needs to be strongly considered and one issue only... May is on fire... At least he seems to be cuz I haven't seen him. If he's racking up an extended scoreless streak in AAA... You gotta find a way to get him into the big league rotation. From what I've seen thus far... Correia is the top candidate to yield a rotation spot for May and I'd suggest bullpen for Correia rather than DFA.

 

Keep your depth... Rainy Days... It will rain eventually.

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In consideration of depth... The Twins starting rotation is pretty simple to me right now.

 

Don't mess with your depth... You never know when someone wakes up in the morning with a barking elbow. It happens all the time and it's going to happen to someone... Sooner rather than later.

 

As for this moment... Right now... One issue needs to be strongly considered and one issue only... May is on fire... At least he seems to be cuz I haven't seen him. If he's racking up an extended scoreless streak in AAA... You gotta find a way to get him into the big league rotation. From what I've seen thus far... Correia is the top candidate to yield a rotation spot for May and I'd suggest bullpen for Correia rather than DFA.

 

Keep your depth... Rainy Days... It will rain eventually.

 

Correia doesn't have the stuff to pitch out of the bullpen, imho.

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If it rains, you have Darnell, Meyer, Pino, Gilmartin, Diamond......I do not understand the fear of losing bad depth.

 

Obviously everyone has different fears but while it's clear that Correia has had a bad stretch. I also think you don't toss him aside because he is capable of an average stretch.

 

I say you move Correia to the bullpen like the Pirates did two years ago and only because Trevor May it seems is beating down the door in Rochester. With the full understanding that May... May... struggle and not work out at all in the majors for quite a few starts and if that happens... Correia could be turned back to.

 

I don't consider Deduno, Nolasco, Gibson or Hughes bad depth... I don't call them aces but I don't call them bad depth.

 

As for Darnell, Meyer, Pinto and Gilmartin. I don't know... I haven't seen them pitch but see Kyle Gibson from last year. Young pitchers come up and struggle quite often.

 

We are still in contention for the playoffs and I'm not ready to experiment at the expense of depth or the future at this moment. When someone gets hurt and they will... The time will come for either Darnell, Meyer, Pinto or Gilmartin.

 

The way I see it and I could be wrong. I think the Twins should try to find a spot in the rotation for May and Correia is my current replacement choice. I'd do it carefully by keeping Correia close by.

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I say you move Deduno to the bullpen like the Pirates did two years ago and only because Trevor May it seems is beating down the door in Rochester. With the full understanding that May... May... struggle and not work out at all in the majors for quite a few starts and if that happens... Correia could be turned back to.

 

I don't understand this thinking, honestly. Deduno, when healthy, was better than Correia last year. He's better than Correia this year.

 

Meritocracy! Reward the guy who has pitched well, discard the guy who hasn't.

 

edit: Upon re-reading this, it appears you may have typed "Deduno" when you meant "Correia".

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In consideration of depth... The Twins starting rotation is pretty simple to me right now.

 

Don't mess with your depth... You never know when someone wakes up in the morning with a barking elbow. It happens all the time and it's going to happen to someone... Sooner rather than later.

 

As for this moment... Right now... One issue needs to be strongly considered and one issue only... May is on fire... At least he seems to be cuz I haven't seen him. If he's racking up an extended scoreless streak in AAA... You gotta find a way to get him into the big league rotation. From what I've seen thus far... Correia is the top candidate to yield a rotation spot for May and I'd suggest bullpen for Correia rather than DFA.

 

Keep your depth... Rainy Days... It will rain eventually.

 

Don't mess with depth; agreed. May needs to see if he can give the MLB club some of those scoreless innings; Agreed! What about having a six man rotation until one of these guys proves unworthy?!

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Don't mess with depth; agreed. May needs to see if he can give the MLB club some of those scoreless innings; Agreed! What about having a six man rotation until one of these guys proves unworthy?!

 

What does a guy have to do to prove unworthy? He got off to a fast start last year. Since then, it's gone from bad to worse. The last 365 days, he's 6-15 with an OPS against of .806 and a WHIP of 1.5. There are three guys in AAA who would do better right now. Why do we have to keep a guy who is bad at pitching?

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I don't understand this thinking, honestly. Deduno, when healthy, was better than Correia last year. He's better than Correia this year.

 

Meritocracy! Reward the guy who has pitched well, discard the guy who hasn't.

 

edit: Upon re-reading this, it appears you may have typed "Deduno" when you meant "Correia".

 

I did and I was horrified when I came back after the game and read it. And it's doubtful that I can blame auto correct.

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