One of the main reasons was Hicks did not respond well last year when he was sent down. I think it hurt his confidence more. We will see but we may never know the counter-factual.

 

And this begs the question of what the Twins were thinking back in April 2013 in promoting Hicks 2 levels, and then imposing an extra layer of pressure on Hicks by batting him in the leadoff spot. And then letting him twist in the wind with his epically bad start for April and much of May. His slow learning curve adaptations at each successive level are well-documented for all to see.

If? More like "When".

 

Not a fact. Your prediction. Your opinion. I disagree. He was a top prospect for a reason. He has shown flashes of brilliance. He needs to take it up a notch, consistently. The only way to find out is to give him a chance.

 

It's similar to Dozier at this time last year. One failed year followed by a demotion. Started slow in 2013. Imagine if we had demoted him just as he started turning the corner. We can only speculate at how that would have stunted his development.

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Next move the Twins make? Well, Pittsburgh just DFA'd Wandy Rodriguez, who has basically been a better version of Kevin Correia in his career and started 2014 struggling the way Correia has.

Next move the Twins make? Well, Pittsburgh just DFA'd Wandy Rodriguez, who has basically been a better version of Kevin Correia in his career and started 2014 struggling the way Correia has.

 

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Not a fact. Your prediction. Your opinion. I disagree. He was a top prospect for a reason. He has shown flashes of brilliance. He needs to take it up a notch, consistently. The only way to find out is to give him a chance.

 

It's similar to Dozier at this time last year. One failed year followed by a demotion. Started slow in 2013. Imagine if we had demoted him just as he started turning the corner. We can only speculate at how that would have stunted his development.

 

Did anyone say anything about "fact"? It just seems that we both made predictions based on probabilities and hope. It's my opinion that yours is based more on the latter and mine on the former, at this point in time.

 

I still stand by my opinion that having the AAA option for a demonstrably slow learner like Hicks, is the prudent course. The switch may have turned on in the last week- it would be a very significant development for the future of the Twins, indeed, but the odds are that he'll need more time for the Twins to make a final conclusion on realizing his full potential with the club.

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Next move the Twins make? Well, Pittsburgh just DFA'd Wandy Rodriguez, who has basically been a better version of Kevin Correia in his career and started 2014 struggling the way Correia has.

 

it is tempting to stash in him AAA. But it is time that we bring up Meyer and May and rid ourselves of veterans that aren't as good.

Did anyone say anything about "fact"? It just seems that we both made predictions based on probabilities and hope. It's my opinion that yours is based more on the latter and mine on the former, at this point in time.

 

I still stand by my opinion that having the AAA option for a demonstrably slow learner like Hicks, is the prudent course. The switch may have turned on in the last week- it would be a very significant development for the futrue of the Twins, indeed, but the odds are that he'll need more time for the Twins to make a final conclusion on realizing his full potential with the club.

 

"If, not when" is saying something is in fact going to happen. No?

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My response exactly. Then I thought perhaps he was suggesting that we DFA Correia and bring up May or Meyer, following Pittsburgh's lead. If so, I would say, yes, preferably Meyer.

My response exactly. Then I thought perhaps he was suggesting that we DFA Correia and bring up May or Meyer, following Pittsburgh's lead. If so, I would say, yes, preferably Meyer.

 

Thank you for clarifying LOL

C'mon people! Imagine a rotation of Nolasco, Hughes, Correia, Pelfrey, and Wandy Rodriguez!!

 

Seriously though, I like the Hicks debate and am undecided on it, but I think the Twins really need to figure out what to do with Pelfrey and Correia and get some more younger arms a chance.

"If, not when" is saying something is in fact going to happen. No?

 

In the context of the discussion, "No".

My only contribution to this thread will be the hope that the Twins aren't changing whatever plan they had for this year on the basis of being 2 games over .500 and in the WC race in late May.

My only contribution to this thread will be the hope that the Twins aren't changing whatever plan they had for this year on the basis of being 2 games over .500 and in the WC race in late May.

 

Change? No. Tweak? Absolutely.

 

If the Twins are somehow magically 52-46 in July, I wouldn't mind them "going for it" by dishing off a guy like Kepler for a centerfielder or a starting pitcher.

 

I mean, why not? Losing Kepler isn't going to kill the franchise and boy, this fanbase could really use a shot in the arm right about now.

 

(Kepler is a bad example right now because of his struggles but the point stands... I wouldn't dip into the top ten prospect list but I'd consider moving someone in the low minors with some upside)

Grady Sizemore's stats - And we want Sizemore over Hicks why again? STOP IT!!!

BA - OBP - SLG - OPS I agree. Why does anyone think that is an improvement?

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How is this an improvement?

How is this an improvement?

 

It's not. It provides depth at a position of weakness and allows the team the possibility of demoting Hicks should the need arise.

 

Sizemore is not a good option to start in centerfield for a contending team. No one is making that argument.

I'm also undecided on whether a return to AAA will be helpful to Hicks. On the offensive side, maybe he would be better off just staying in the majors and having to face MLB pitching rather than going to AAA, learning how to hit AAA pitching; then coming back to MLB and still having to adjust to major league pitchers. I just don't know.

 

But on the defensive side, I remember a Hicks comment from a week or two ago about the backgrounds being so different when he is in CF because of the size and height of major league stadiums. Does he really get to work on that if he is returned to AAA?

Next move the Twins make? Well, Pittsburgh just DFA'd Wandy Rodriguez, who has basically been a better version of Kevin Correia in his career and started 2014 struggling the way Correia has.

 

If the Pittsburg Pirates don't want the guy, we certainly don't. Free Meyer!

Moderator note: Wish I had caught this earlier, but I'm going to interject this now anyway. Let's please stay off the 'if, when, fact, fiction' semantics discussions. I pretty much assume that everyone's suggestions and ideas are opinions, no matter how certainly stated. So go from there. I don't care how strongly you feel it or support it, let's share ideas without trumping yourselves right and others wrong. And if you just can't stomach it? The ignore function still works. Thanks.

I'm also undecided on whether a return to AAA will be helpful to Hicks. On the offensive side, maybe he would be better off just staying in the majors and having to face MLB pitching rather than going to AAA, learning how to hit AAA pitching; then coming back to MLB and still having to adjust to major league pitchers. I just don't know.

 

But on the defensive side, I remember a Hicks comment from a week or two ago about the backgrounds being so different when he is in CF because of the size and height of major league stadiums. Does he really get to work on that if he is returned to AAA?

 

I saw that comment and interpreted it as more of a feeble excuse and cry for help as much as anything.

I think I would like Sizemore in CF and as a backup to Hicks and as a platoon option for Hicks against the tought RH. I dont know how Grady grades out defensively anymore but I am pretty sure he can play outfield better then Santana, Colabello, EE, Bartlett and possibly Fuld. So IF the RS release him or whatever its called the Twins should pick him up and when Fuld is done with the rehab assignment choose between Hicks and Fuld and Grady. Or put Hicks in AAA and keep everybody if thats the best option

Moderator note: Wish I had caught this earlier, but I'm going to interject this now anyway. Let's please stay off the 'if, when, fact, fiction' semantics discussions. I pretty much assume that everyone's suggestions and ideas are opinions, no matter how certainly stated. So go from there. I don't care how strongly you feel it or support it, let's share ideas without trumping yourselves right and others wrong. And if you just can't stomach it? The ignore function still works. Thanks.

 

Did I say something wrong? If so, I'm sorry. I realize this is a Twins fans' site in which many intelligent Twins fans are posting. I have been a Twins fan even when they were the original Washington Senators. Yes, I'm older than dirt. However I really have enjoyed the posts. I wish I could back up my posts with better stats and sabremetrics (I don't even know if I spelled this correctly). But the truth is that I can't back a lot of what I write up by stats. I just let fly with my comments which I think are relevant or funny and sometimes my fingers type faster than my brain works. I'm relatively new here, still a rookie, so bear with me. I'll try to use more facts and less emotion in my posts.

You're doing just fine. Thanks for responding.

I'd take Wandy over either Pelfrey or Correia.

 

I'd take a ton of pitchers over those 3 though, so thats probably not saying a whole lot.

Wandy, Pelfrey, Correia. Yawn. Wake me when they bring the real arms up.

This isn't about Sizemore. This is about Aaron Hicks. The Twins just need Sizemore to tread Hicksian water for a month or two while Aaron gets his head straight.

 

.280/.419/.320

 

Hicks the last 2 weeks. Straight enough for you?

And this begs the question of what the Twins were thinking back in April 2013 in promoting Hicks 2 levels, and then imposing an extra layer of pressure on Hicks by batting him in the leadoff spot. And then letting him twist in the wind with his epically bad start for April and much of May. His slow learning curve adaptations at each successive level are well-documented for all to see.

 

...and this begs the question of how long we will rehash 2013 decisions...

This brings up the question of when people will realize that begging the question does not mean bringing up the question.

It's an Internet forum. I'm grateful that more of it isn't in all caps. With pictures of cats.

 

If we cant trade the guys mentioned. Wont' get anything but its addition by subtraction.

Continue winning and become a major buyer as we anticipate being better next year. Rosario caught cheating blew our chances as we were getting close to Stanton. Now he wont be traded. So either addition by subtraction and/or buyers. Honestly I think the Twins brass went into the season hoping to be buyers despite our record. They wanted to spend more $$ but held off in the offseason last year.