April 5, 201412 yr Congratulations to the MInnesota Twins' manager Ron Gardenhire. With the Twins 7-3 win over Cleveland today (Saturday), Gardenhire becomes the 60th manager in MLB history to reach 1,000 career wins! He is one of five active managers to have reached the milestone. On behalf of Twins Daily, I certainly want to congratulate the Twins manager!
April 5, 201412 yr A thousand thumbs up. And 67 thumbs sideways... Edited April 5, 201412 yr by crarko
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April 5, 201412 yr Congrats Gardy on 1K! I often criticize him, but I'll always be nostalgic for the teams he managed in the early 2000s when I was falling in love with baseball and the Twins. Here's to many more W's.
April 5, 201412 yr CONGRATS on 1000 WINS, Gardy! I hope you get ejection number 68 tomorrow! I'm sure the t-shirts are ready for it! Haha!
April 5, 201412 yr Gardy is only the 2nd Twins/Senators manager to reach this mark.Walter Johnson, Sam Mele, Bucky Harris, and *gulp* even Clark Griffith pale in comparison. Love him or loathe him, Gardy deserves credit for what he's done for the club, and I hope all are happy for the man. While there are good arguments that it's time for a change (and agree with some), I still clearly remember the late-era TK years, as well as the Quicilici, Mauch, Goryl, Gardner, and Miller years. That's my context. Props!
April 5, 201412 yr Sitting outside the Metrodome, as my son was in line for autographs at a Twins Autograph session and here comes Gardy, walking alone. It's one of his first year or two as Twins manager. He is walking up an incline and crosses over to me to shake my hand. He asks why I am here and thanks me, when I tell him I have a son in line for autographs. Congrats to Gardy on the well deserved 1,000 wins!!! All with the same team. His team, my team, and my son's team:D
April 5, 201412 yr I "liked" a couple posts in this thread because I'm sincerely happy for Gardy, who has always seemed like a decent guy to me. But the more I think about it, the less impressed I am with this achievement. Gardy main managerial skill to me has always been the ability to create a happy clubhouse...players clearly like to play for him. But his laissez faire approach which makes him a players' coach also sometimes leads to complacency, I believe, and as fans we have suffered through some tough times. In my opinion, Gardy has always lagged behind many other managers, TK for example, in knowledge of the game and in-game management, and has not embraced some advanced statistical tools that I believe could make him a better manager. Not trying to be a spoilsport here, but sometime this July Gardy will join another select club, with much less fanfare...managers with 1000 losses. I would argue that this 1000 win milestone has more to do with the patience of the Pohlad family than Gardy's brilliance. How many other owners would have allowed a manager to approach 100 losses in successive years without making a move? Not many, I suspect. Congratulations to a good guy, but I guess I'm much happier with the effectiveness of Gibson's changeup today than Gardy's 1000th.
April 6, 201412 yr Congrats for the milestone. But wins mentioned by themselves only can be misleading. Charlie Hough has only 3 less wins (216) than Pedro Martinez (219.) Hough also lost 216 games, while Martinez lost 100. If you avoid the last sentence someone who does not know those pitchers would think that they are about equal. Gardy has career 950 losses as well. He will likely reach the 1000 loss milestone this season too. So more like Hough than Pedro... Edited April 6, 201412 yr by Thrylos
April 6, 201412 yr I "liked" a couple posts in this thread because I'm sincerely happy for Gardy, who has always seemed like a decent guy to me. But the more I think about it, the less impressed I am with this achievement. Gardy main managerial skill to me has always been the ability to create a happy clubhouse...players clearly like to play for him. But his laissez faire approach which makes him a players' coach also sometimes leads to complacency, I believe, and as fans we have suffered through some tough times. In my opinion, Gardy has always lagged behind many other managers, TK for example, in knowledge of the game and in-game management, and has not embraced some advanced statistical tools that I believe could make him a better manager. Not trying to be a spoilsport here, but sometime this July Gardy will join another select club, with much less fanfare...managers with 1000 losses. I would argue that this 1000 win milestone has more to do with the patience of the Pohlad family than Gardy's brilliance. How many other owners would have allowed a manager to approach 100 losses in successive years without making a move? Not many, I suspect. Congratulations to a good guy, but I guess I'm much happier with the effectiveness of Gibson's changeup today than Gardy's 1000th. TK's lifetime W-L record: 1140-1244 It's fair to say that Kelly had some fairly poor teams, talent wise. It is also fair to say Gardy has too. They both won when they had enough talent to do so, and I believe they have both squeezed lemonade out of some fairly dried up lemons at times. Congrats to Gardy.
April 6, 201412 yr Congrats for the milestone. But wins mentioned by themselves only can be misleading. Charlie Hough has only 3 less wins (216) than Pedro Martinez (219.) Hough also lost 216 games, while Martinez lost 100. If you avoid the last sentence someone who does not know those pitchers would think that they are about equal. Gardy has career 950 losses as well. He will likely reach the 1000 loss milestone this season too. So more like Hough than Pedro... Not to say that Gardy is the best ever, but there is a very clear difference between leadership and individual performance. A much better analogy for Gardy is probably TK, a manager who had some years with good talent, some years with poor talent, and a resulting "mediocre" winning percentage.
April 6, 201412 yr A much better analogy for Gardy is probably TK, a manager who had some years with good talent, some years with poor talent, and a resulting "mediocre" winning percentage. Not really. TK won 2 world series when he had good talent. Gardy went 1 and out in his post-seasons with good talented teams, including one that had both the MVP and Cy Young award winners.
April 6, 201412 yr Not really. TK won 2 world series when he had good talent. Gardy went 1 and out in his post-seasons with good talented teams, including one that had both the MVP and Cy Young award winners. With respect to the guys that Gardy had during his nice run of division championships, TK had more overall and higher end talent. I don't want to turn this into a contest between TK and Gardy, though.
April 6, 201412 yr Regardless of whether one thinks Gardy or TK was the better manager (my personal belief is that TK was twice the manager Gardy is), I think it's difficult to argue against this statement: the primary reason Gardy and TK are in the 1000 win club is that the Pohlads don't fire managers.
April 6, 201412 yr Congratulations to Gardy. While TK was my favorite manager, I have always liked. Gardy and you cannot argue with 1000 wins. Our managers haven't deserved to be fired with some of the product the FO has supplied both TK and Gardy. Is Gardy the person to lead the new wave, that is another question.
April 6, 201412 yr Congrats for the milestone. But wins mentioned by themselves only can be misleading. Charlie Hough has only 3 less wins (216) than Pedro Martinez (219.) Hough also lost 216 games, while Martinez lost 100. If you avoid the last sentence someone who does not know those pitchers would think that they are about equal. Gardy has career 950 losses as well. He will likely reach the 1000 loss milestone this season too. So more like Hough than Pedro... Wow, Hough played in 432 MLB games where he factored into the decision......curious.
April 6, 201412 yr Wow, Hough played in 432 MLB games where he factored into the decision......curious. Hough pitched 858 games Before he was a starter with the Rangers he was the Dodgers closer and closers then pitched 2-3 innings. And as a starter in the 80s he was among the league leaders in IP and CGs (the knuckleball helps) and the Rangers were a club that can turn a game either way really fast
April 6, 201412 yr I thought the Twins did a great job with the honorary shirt they designed for Gardy...1000 wins, 67 ejections! I've always enjoyed Gardy's fiery nature and willingness to defend his guys...one of his better assets. It got me thinking, though...I assume Gardy got credit for a win in those 67 games he didn't finish. Kind of questionable because the Twins were behind in some of those games at the time of ejection, and they came back to win under the direction of somebody else! I wonder how many wins Cy Young would have had if he had been credited with a win for every winning game which he started, even if the team was behind at the time of his removal! Phil Hughes has to be fuming right now...under the "manager's wins" rules, he's 1-0 for the season!
April 6, 201412 yr Hough pitched 858 games Before he was a starter with the Rangers he was the Dodgers closer and closers then pitched 2-3 innings. And as a starter in the 80s he was among the league leaders in IP and CGs (the knuckleball helps) and the Rangers were a club that can turn a game either way really fast I know, I watched him for years, he wasn't the pitcher of record in the rest of those games. But as long as your furthering the point, wow 858 games, that's a pretty darn good career!
April 6, 201412 yr Congrats to Mr. Gardenhire. It is a rare accomplishment indeed. He clearly does some things well, and I'm going to say "yay" for those things on this thread.
April 6, 201412 yr Not really. TK won 2 world series when he had good talent. Gardy went 1 and out in his post-seasons with good talented teams, including one that had both the MVP and Cy Young award winners. Except the time they didn't go one and done and made the ALCS against the Angels of course.
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