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WARNE: Are the Twins Buyers or Sellers?


Brandon Warne

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The hottest talk on Twins fans’ lips after the promotions of Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano has been whether or not this is a team that should buy or sell at the trade deadline that looms in a mere three and a half weeks. It’s a legitimate question with no easy answer, as the Twins have hung around in a heavily competitive division. And if you buy into the idea that the Tigers could fall back a bit with the loss of Miguel Cabrera, and that the White Sox and Indians have yet to play their best ball of the season — all distinct possibilities — the Central could get even wilder before the season draws to a close.

 

The entire American League is bonkers. Coming into play Monday, the Twins are tied with Baltimore — incidentally, the club’s current opponent — for the fifth and final playoff spot. If that wasn’t enough, 13 of the 15 AL clubs are five or fewer games out of a playoff spot. No AL team is more than 6.5 games out. This hurts buying teams two-fold.

 

First of all, any team that is ‘buying’ so to speak needs a seller. The two teams in the AL that are more than five games out of a playoff spot are Chicago — coming off a spending spree in the offseason — and Oakland, whom Fangraphs’ BaseRuns (best explained here) suggests are playing so far below their ceiling that they should be neck and neck with division-leading Houston. Dealing with Billy Beane in July can be a risky proposition for opposing teams, too. The Twins have done it before — Orlando Cabrera in 2009 — but it takes a certain need for each side to find a match.

 

The NL side is a little different, with just nine of 15 teams within five games of a playoff spot, and four teams — Milwaukee, Colorado, Miami and Philadelphia — at least 10 games back. Each of those teams have premium talent that could be pried away, with the possible exception of Miami, but that also requires a steep price in terms of prospects — of which the Twins have.

 

But the other complicating factor with a team being in the thick of it in a heavily competitive AL race is that even the slightest hiccup can leave you in the dust with a veritable dogpile of teams each gaining ground on someone each night. With that many teams involved, at least a few of them each will win on a given night, making any sort of a slide potentially catastrophic in even the short term.

 

And when you look at this Twins roster, it doesn’t appear to be built terribly well for a playoff run. The same BaseRuns concept that suggests the A’s should be a potential playoff team pegs the Twins as having played like a 35-47 team as opposed to their 43-39 mark. Personally, that doesn’t appear too surprising when considering how leaky the team has been in certain facets of the game at times. The bullpen has the ninth-worst ERA in baseball at 3.88. As a group, they’ve fanned just 6.0 batters per nine — dead last across MLB — and are one of just two teams that are under 7.0 in that respect. The vastly improved rotation is in the top half in ERA, but ranks second to last in K/9 and is only about average in terms of groundball rate.

 

On the offensive side, it’s been about Brian Dozier and a rotating cast of characters that have picked up the slack at one time or another. Dozier is the clear leader on the team with a 128 OPS+ — OPS scaled to where 100 is average — with Joe Mauer, Torii Hunter and Trevor Plouffe the only other regulars above average — and just by a few ticks. Nothing about the Twins offense — with the exception of doubles, triples and strikeouts — are among the top half of AL teams.

 

So you don’t have an offense, starting staff or bullpen that really sticks out. Balanced teams can make the playoffs, too, but it most likely would require some sort of ‘boost.’

 

But where would that boost come from, and where would it go? The Twins don’t really profile as a team that needs help in the outfield. Granted, there’s still no telling what exactly the team can or will get from Buxton or Aaron Hicks, but this isn’t a club in a position to shove one of those two aside for a Marlon Byrd, to throw out a random name who will be available. That’s before also considering Oswaldo Arcia — on a seven-game hitting streak at Rochester where he’s hitting .448/.484/.828 — will also probably rejoin the team at some point, too. Is a run this year so important that you can shove aside players who’ll soon be out of options to take that chance? It hardly seems possible.

 

The rotation already has a bottleneck with Trevor May squeezed out with Ervin Santana’s return, so there isn’t really a good fit there. Similarly, trading legitimate prospects for bullpen help hasn’t exactly worked out well for this club (or any other) in years past either (Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos, etc.).

 

In the infield it would seem only shortstop is open. Jorge Polanco had a really rough first game at Rochester on Saturday, but club sources suggested he was markedly better after some early work on Sunday — his 22nd birthday. If he, Danny Santana or Eduardo Escobar aren’t the future of the position, then a look outside could be merited. That just doesn’t feel like a Twins move either, though. The same can be said for catcher, where Kurt Suzuki has been underwhelming in pretty much every facet of the game. He’s only signed for one more year, so even a starting catcher’s salary could be moved aside if the Twins were to inquire on someone like Jonathan Lucroy. Still again, that’s a splashy move that doesn’t seem to fit the Twins’ usual blueprint, and can also be costly another way.

 

And that way is in terms of trade cost. The Twins could move the likes of Polanco, Jose Berrios, Kohl Stewart, Max Kepler and others. Trading prospects makes sense in a lot of ways, considering the attrition rate of the average prospect versus their trade market value, but at the same time the Twins need to rely on the graduation of some of these prospects emerging to help sustain an extended window as the Buxtons and Sanos mature, and need reinforcements to go alongside them.

 

So does trading from your depth in the minor leagues actually narrow your contention window? Maybe not, considering the team will have Sano and Buxton ostensibly for at least six years — all of which should be pretty good years for the club barring some sort of disaster — but it’s worth wondering if making a run at the beginning of their careers — and the end of Mauer’s for instance — is worth pushing all the chips in the middle for. And is that season now? Is the division and league as vulnerable as it’ll get in the short- or long-term? Maybe that is the case, considering there’s no dominating team right now. The Red Sox and Yankees are a bit more down than they’ve been in recent years, and some of the teams who were supposed to take giant steps forward — the Clevelands and Seattles of the world — have failed to step up.

 

There’s no easy answer for how the Twins should approach this deadline, but there’s also a fairly good chance that in the next 25 or so days, the team will provide its own answer. If they’re in the thick of it in that last week in July, it’s going to be an interesting deadline for the first time in a long time.

 

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I wouldn't make any moves other than maybe a tier two (11-20 range) prospect for a solid lefty reliever (although I think it is worth giving Taylor Rogers a shot first). If we could get a good deal for a solid youngish catcher with some team control left I would trade a higher level prospect or prospects, but I doubt that will be available.

 

I would consider trading Plouffe for a quality catcher/almost ready high-upside catching prospect, moving Sano to 3B, and moving a platoon of Arcia/Hunter to DH, but that won't happen, possibly ever, and definitely not before this offseason.

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Nice post.  I think it's simple.  You don't sell low and you do sell high.  Despite the expectation for attrition with some of the key prospects, I think it's obvious that guys like Arcia and Vargas are performing below expectations.  Whereas someone like Adam Brett Walker, on the other hand, seems to be outperforming beyond reason.  A similar argument could probably be made for Kepler, but I think given his versatility, he's worth holding onto and should get promoted to AAA as quickly as possible.

 

As far as position players go, you should sell high and Plouffe and Pelfrey (just like we should have sold high on Suzuki last year).  They're both aged beyond the waive of prospects that will give as a shot at being contenders in reality (versus the anomaly that is this season), and they both have significant value for veteran contending teams.

 

So, trade Plouffe, Walker and Pelfrey in any combination for bullpen or catcher support (you're not going to get a SS prospect better than Polanco for that combination).  

 

Once Plouffe is moved, you swing Sano over 3B.  Hicks and Arcia have perfectly complimentary LHP/RHP splits, so once Buxton is back, move Hunter to DH and Hicks/Arcia platoon in RF.  While Buxton is out, bring up Arcia for full-time DH and keep Hicks in CF and Hunter in RF.  Keep Kepler waiting in the wings for any injuries in the OF.

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These guys are not baseball cards.  If you trade starters mid-season, after they battled to get to a playoff spot, you lose some of what got you where you are.  Team spirit, knowledge of how to work together in the infield, how to do the shifts, etc.  I can see trades at the fringes (AAA/bench player for AAA/spare relief pitcher).  No way the Twins are trading one of their core guys now.

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The real question is, do you trade prospects for one slim chance at a one and done playoff run? Or do you trust your last 3-4 years evaluation, which has been telling you that you have a special group of talent, some here, but many more in the 2016 wings, and build a long term contender? I don't even think it's a difficult decision. But say you want to to go for it. You need a catcher, a SS, a PROVEN power bat, two shutdown middle relievers, and an ace pitcher. That's if you really are serious about making noise, not just sqeaking in by a half game as a wild card team. This team has a lot of holes. Bite the bullet, and keep filling them internally. This is not a team that needs a rental player!

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The real question is, do you trade prospects for one slim chance at a one and done playoff run? Or do you trust your last 3-4 years evaluation, which has been telling you that you have a special group of talent, some here, but many more in the 2016 wings, and build a long term contender? I don't even think it's a difficult decision. But say you want to to go for it. You need a catcher, a SS, a PROVEN power bat, two shutdown middle relievers, and an ace pitcher. That's if you really are serious about making noise, not just sqeaking in by a half game as a wild card team. This team has a lot of holes. Bite the bullet, and keep filling them internally. This is not a team that needs a rental player!

 

I think you unintentionally hit on a key point: do you (try) add all those pieces, or just try to squeak by as a wild card team? Because last I checked, the wild card winner last year went to the World Series. 

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These guys are not baseball cards.  If you trade starters mid-season, after they battled to get to a playoff spot, you lose some of what got you where you are.  Team spirit, knowledge of how to work together in the infield, how to do the shifts, etc.  I can see trades at the fringes (AAA/bench player for AAA/spare relief pitcher).  No way the Twins are trading one of their core guys now.

 

Lawton for Reed comes to mind. In a bad way.

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