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The signing of Torii Hunter has brought off-the-field issues back to the fore for the Twins. Part of the reason for signing Hunter has been for clubhouse leadership, mentoring of young players, and also bring back fans to the park. Hunter's pros and cons in these areas have been analyzed more than the break on Phil Hughes' spike curve.

 

I weighed in on several threads saying that it wasn't possible to measure if there would be any effect and I doubted there would be much effect anyway. This commentary does bring up questions about the Twins' clubhouse and whether a lack of leadership has been at the root of the Twins' struggles for the last four years.

 

I am of the opinion that talent and winning are much more a component than whether Torii Hunter or Kirby Puckett are a positive clubhouse influence. I think that some of the guys who have been looked at as clubhouse leaders are more likely just the gregarious guys who give good quotes to the media.

 

The Twins have had a succession of nice guys who are accessible such as Dozier, Cuddyer, Hunter and Puckett. I don't know if all of them were truly leaders or just media darlings. Guys like Joe Mauer have never been vocal, but they might be leaders just as well. To me, it is still much more about talent than it is about attitude.

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Oldgoat_MN

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I think it's interesting that a guy like Paul Molitor thinks that Torii can make a difference. He knows exactly what intangibles are.

 

I know most people are focused on what Torii is going to do on the field.

There is no question that everyone will know he's in the clubhouse. It might take some heat off this new manager and coaching staff to have Torii weighing in on a player who doesn't hustle.

 

I have to trust that Molitor has a pretty good idea of what he's getting in Torii.

 

Hope Molly is right, whatever he's thinking.

Linus

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Except that we have no evidence that Molly wanted Torii for any supposed leadership qualities.  Ryan went out of his way to downplay that aspect.

 

As you might tell, I think all the intangibles stuff is a bunch of crap.  When your primary attribute is "intangibles" that is code language for "you can't play anymore".

 

My two favorite intangibles quotes from TK:

"Momentum is tomorrow's starting pitcher"

"Leadership is a bases loaded double"

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