The idea of adding pitching via trades is good. One thing that sticks out is the salary for Knebel. He will get $9-11 million most likely based on contracts already signed by relievers. The Yankees may bite on a trade for a catcher. Do they see Kepler as a CF? This is an interesting look.

I like the moves but I agree with the first poster that your salary for Knebel is waaaaay too low. He is much more likely to get $7-10m after his performance for the Dodgers. The $5m salary for him you project would be a steal. 

While I would also prefer Montas or Bassitt over Maneaa, and would be willing to give up more to get Montas, the cost for Montas is going to be very high and Bassitt is 32 years old, 33 in February. So I would switch to a deal with the Reds, trading Larnach, Strotman and Cole Sands for Sonny Gray. I would give them Winder as well if they swap out Mahle for Gray but I don't think that's enough. I think that the only way to get Mahle would be to trade Miranda or Martin in conjunction with a pitcher like Strotman or even Winder and I don't want to do that. Arguably though, we have Lewis, Martin and Miranda as IF coming up with Polanco still relatively young and Buxton hopefully playing CF for the long term. One of those 3 could be made available if we get young, controllable pitching in return - like Mahle. I would do a Mahle for Martin or Mirnada straight up but I don't think that's enough for the Reds. So bottom line, the package for Gray or Miranda (or Martin) for Mahle. I like the rest. 

love this lineup! maybe someone other than Stroman. feel like he is due for regression and not sure he is a clubhouse fit. maybe a Marlans or another Oakland pitcher. really like the bullpen especially with Knebel, Hand and  Rogers for. late innings. i really believe they. need Miranda up early and feel like I would rather have Arraez in the outfield and not bother with Piscotti.

You can save $ by paying Kirilloff less.

2 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

The idea of adding pitching via trades is good. One thing that sticks out is the salary for Knebel. He will get $9-11 million most likely based on contracts already signed by relievers. The Yankees may bite on a trade for a catcher. Do they see Kepler as a CF? This is an interesting look.

I may have undershot the salary for Knebel for a bit but I do not think he will get $10 million. If he was a workhorse then certainly, but he only pitched 25.2 innings last year. I could be wrong, I just don't see it happening. Maybe 7-8 million though. Kepler is certainly capable of playing center field. In his career he has logged over 1100 innings there. He also has a perfect fielding percentage, and 3 DRS. He isn't Byron Buxton in center field but can certainly hold his own. He would certainly be their best option to this point.

38 minutes ago, Scott51104 said:

You can save $ by paying Kirilloff less.

Sorry didn't even notice that. I forgot to change the Sano salary that is put in at 1B($9.25), to Kirilloffs salary ($0.6)

1 hour ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

I like the moves but I agree with the first poster that your salary for Knebel is waaaaay too low. He is much more likely to get $7-10m after his performance for the Dodgers. The $5m salary for him you project would be a steal. 

While I would also prefer Montas or Bassitt over Maneaa, and would be willing to give up more to get Montas, the cost for Montas is going to be very high and Bassitt is 32 years old, 33 in February. So I would switch to a deal with the Reds, trading Larnach, Strotman and Cole Sands for Sonny Gray. I would give them Winder as well if they swap out Mahle for Gray but I don't think that's enough. I think that the only way to get Mahle would be to trade Miranda or Martin in conjunction with a pitcher like Strotman or even Winder and I don't want to do that. Arguably though, we have Lewis, Martin and Miranda as IF coming up with Polanco still relatively young and Buxton hopefully playing CF for the long term. One of those 3 could be made available if we get young, controllable pitching in return - like Mahle. I would do a Mahle for Martin or Mirnada straight up but I don't think that's enough for the Reds. So bottom line, the package for Gray or Miranda (or Martin) for Mahle. I like the rest. 

Yea I will agree, I did undershoot Knebel. When you said Bassit is 32, that made it seem like you dont want him due to that. Sonny Gray is also 32, maybe it was just a misunderstanding on my part, but I don't understand that. I wouldnt want to trade our higher end young talent, like Larnach, or likely future rotation pieces, like Winder and Sands, for a year or two of a pitcher. It all just depends on what the other team wants I guess. I would much rather trade for Manaea out of all you mentioned, due to certain factors, but that is just me.

Winder may just be the best young pitcher the Twins have. i would trade Ryan before giving up Winder.

Bassitt is a good add and may not require such a high price. Trades may also be on hold as roster decisions are made, meaning we wait until February to see what happens to complete the 2022 team.

No way Stroman takes 4/80 after what Gausman and Ray signed for. He will want a MINIMUM of 5/100 and it will likely take much more per year to sign him given his durability and longer track record of above average production than Gausman or Ray.

Otherwise it is a pretty solid plan!

2 hours ago, Seansy said:

No way Stroman takes 4/80 after what Gausman and Ray signed for. He will want a MINIMUM of 5/100 and it will likely take much more per year to sign him given his durability and longer track record of above average production than Gausman or Ray.

Otherwise it is a pretty solid plan!

Gausman and Ray signed for $22 and $23 million. They both have shown ace stuff the past few years. Many teams believe Stroman would be a good #2, not an ace. Also, with him being towards the end of the high end pitching free agents, many teams have found their guy, causing less competition. Also with Stroman talking a lot on social media recently that could drive some teams away. I think a deal of $20 million AAV is very close to what he gets, whether it is 3-5 years

I also believe that Stroman will get a 5/$100 contract. Stroman is a solid pitcher but not as accomplished as Berrios. It seems unlikely that the Twins would pay Stroman more than $17-18 per year when they were not interested in a long term contract with Berrios like 6/$120. I'm not so sure that avoiding Stroman is unsound. I preferred Berrios. The better value is via trade if that can be accomplished. Twins Daily commenters keep churning out ideas and I'm sure the Twins are sifting through scenarios as well. We will need to wait but I sure hope they can pry away a few good pitchers in trades.

15 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

I also believe that Stroman will get a 5/$100 contract. Stroman is a solid pitcher but not as accomplished as Berrios. It seems unlikely that the Twins would pay Stroman more than $17-18 per year when they were not interested in a long term contract with Berrios like 6/$120. I'm not so sure that avoiding Stroman is unsound. I preferred Berrios. The better value is via trade if that can be accomplished. Twins Daily commenters keep churning out ideas and I'm sure the Twins are sifting through scenarios as well. We will need to wait but I sure hope they can pry away a few good pitchers in trades.

I personally believe Berrios is not quite as accomplished as Stroman, but has a higher ceiling for sure. I could see both sides of an argument for who is more accomplished though. As far as a Berrios extension with the Twins, it seemed like he just didn't like it here. A big reason why he said he signed that extension with Toronto was because of how much he liked it there, almost implying that Toronto was a much better fit for him than Minnesota. As far as Stroman for 5/$100. I think that is a very fair deal for both sides. The further we get into this offseason makes me think the Twins are waiting for their farm system to provide top end pitchers, rather than buy them as free agents.

7 hours ago, cjm0926 said:

I personally believe Berrios is not quite as accomplished as Stroman

Opinions differ. They are similar. The money will almost surely favor Berrios though. 

Berrios is no longer a Twin, but he did everything possible to succeed and i wish him well.

Why trade 2 established MLB players in Kepler and Garver for the Yankees #2 SS PROSPECT Peraza (who is not a guarantee to be a MLB caliber SS - REMEMBER Aaron Hicks for John Ryan Murphy ???)  Seems like the Twins should either be giving the Yanks less or getting back much more.