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Robo umps and the future of catchers


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blog-0702756001574789862.jpgIn one of the discussion entries I saw the question - what will happen to catchers when the Robo ump is put in place and the quick hands ability to steal (frame) a strike is no longer a vital skill. This got me thinking about what are the other attributes of a good catcher.

 

My first thought is the ability to call a good game, to put the pitcher in a better position to fool the batter. Of course the Houston Astronauts are pushing for a change there too. Maybe we will have head phones on the catcher and pitcher and the pitching coach will become the defensive coordinator calling all the pitches. If so my criteria will change again. However, for now I will take the intellectual impact of the catcher and say that this was the most important and least appreciated of Joe Mauer's skills.

 

The ability of Joe and others to call a game is not easy to judge. For example; if you have Scherzer, Paxton, and Strasburg does their success make you a great game caller? Or if you have Nolasco, Hughes, and Milone are you a bad catcher? I guess we have to ask (world champion) Kurt Suzuki.

 

If you call for a pitch and the pitcher cannot deliver it as a quality offering it does not matter if it was the right pitch or not?

 

How do we decide on this skill? I do not know, but pitchers should have some idea - I wonder if that is why some pitchers have designated catchers who are not the regular catcher. Of maybe those catchers call what the pitcher wants rather than what should be called. I do not know how to decide.

 

So with the current conversations possibly eliminating those two qualities we get to the hockey goalie attributes - who lets the most baseballs get by for Wild Pitches and Passed balls? Here is a list of the most passed balls - https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/stats?season=2019&category=FIELDING+II&group=1&sort=7&time=0&pos=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&splitType=0&page=1&statID=0

16 by Flowers in 83 games is atrocious - 226 innings - 0.07 pct . Grandal had 9 in 412 innings - 0.02. pct. Garver had 8 in 225 innings - 0.035 and Castro had 7 in 210 innings - 0.033. Former Twin minor leaguer John Hicks with Detroit had 3 in 244 innings 0.012. Former Twin Suzuki had 6 in 209 innings 0.0028. Former Twins minor leaguer Wilson Ramos had 10 in 338 - 0.029. According to Baseball Almanac Astudillo has zero passed balls in 37 games as catcher.

 

I could not find out who allowed the most Wild Pitches. But the Angels - 98, Boston 81, Baltimore 75, Seattle 75, and Oakland 74 - were the top five teams in Wild Pitches for the 2019 season. Minnesota was number 8 with 70. Those catchers were - Angels - LuCruy ,Boston -Vasquez, Baltimore - Severino, Seattle - Narvaez, Oakland - Phegley. Was it their fault or bad pitchers?

 

 

Then there are errors - I am not sure how everything is figured. I assume bad throws to the bags, but is a PB an error? (not according to MLB.com - A passed ball is not recorded as an error, but when a run scores as the result of a passed ball, it does not count as an earned run against a pitcher) and that makes no sense to me, so other errors would come from fielding bunts and taking throws on runners trying to score and catching the strikeout pitch (?). When I went to see the errors the first thing I saw was fielding pct and it made me laugh - these are 1000 fielding catchers in 2019 - Willians Astudillo, John Hicks, John Ryan Murphy, Drew Butera, When I look at the serious list of full time catchers the thing that stood out is Realmuto's 9 errors! How did he get them. I am still confused by catcher errors. Juan Castro had 1. Mitch Garver had 6 and Grandal 8!

 

The catcher's most striking attribute in the past was his arm, but in this day of no stolen bases that positive element seems like it has been removed by the current metrics. I hope it comes back strong - give me Ricky, Coleman, Wills, Brock, Aparicicio and the other speedsters! If we look at current stats Mitch Garver tops the league with a .162 caught stealing rate - followed by Wilson Ramos .153. Not much to look at because there were so few attempts.

 

Fangraphs WAR has Realmuto with 5.7, Grandal 5.2, Gaver 3.9, Vasquez 3.5. Tom Murphy 3.2. I hate to say it by I did not even know who Tom Murphy was. In case you do not know him either - he is a Seattle Mariner.

 

Garver gets his WAR points from offense. Fangraphs has points for Offense and Defense before calculating WAR. Realmuto, Hedges (Padres), Vazquez(Red Sox), Grandal, and Perez (Indians) rate the top five in Defense by fangraph measures. Mitch Garver is 22nd. and Castro is 17th. Suzuki is 33rd out of 37 catchers rated with 250 ABs minimum. Astudillo in 52nd out of 68 when I drop the ABs to 100. Garver is first by a wide margin when rating catchers with 250 ABs in offense with Contreras second and Grandal 3rd. Castro is 14. Astudillo is number 41 of 68 when I drop the ABs to 100 and look at offensive ratings.

 

 

 

So what is the future catcher's requirements:

  1. Stamina
  2. Quick reflexes
  3. Good arm
  4. Good bat
  5. Able to handle a runner coming in from third

 

Sounds like Garver will fit the future and I like Jeffers coming in to back him up.

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One beef I have with both Twins catchers last year was that they keep their catcher masks on when a throw is coming in from the outfield. They both wiffed on a few balls last year that I sure thought should have been caught. That should be an error on the catcher, but either no error was given or it went to the outfielder/relay person.

 

They must be coached to do this, but I don't like it. With the new rules about how a runner can slide I don't see a reason to keep a mask on and loose track of a ball (especially one that bounces). Otherwise we should hand out masks to the fielders at 2nd and 3rd as well.

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When you watch a Suzuki and a Garver attempt to block a wild pitch it's pretty obvious that there is an enormous amount of difference in their ability to do so. I wasn't a huge Suzuki fan, but that guy could block the ball. His technique and his determination to square up to anything in the dirt was amazing. Garver likely lacks Suzukis natural quickness, and definitely lacks Kurts inherent ability to present a flat presence to a ball in the dirt. Garver came up to the Twins with some of the worst hands I have ever seen in a MLB catcher. He has improved in the last year, but still borders on "klunky"! I have no doubt that the extreme focus put on his pitch framing cause him to be locked into inflexible positions. One of which is the leg out position so as to lower his presence. The concept in and of itself is good, but the consequences can be more than one would prefer?

 

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I think the most important skill will be calling a game. Catchers are in a unique position to see what pitches are effective and see better how a batter is responding to a pitch. They need the ability and skill to earn trust from a pitcher so they have confidence in the pitch they are throwing. They need to put in hours of study before each series watching video and learning the trends of hitters. Some will be able to utilize that data much better than others. This skill is more important than framing. Teams that do the best job of assessing this difficult skill to measure will add to their win total.

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An automated strike zone may be further away from the majors than we think. Baseball Prospectus wrote about all of the hurdles before it can be a useful tool.

 

One of the hurdles that had me most concerned is setting the top and bottom of the strike zone. Every plate appearance has a unique top and bottom of the strike zone depending on the height and stance of a batter.

 

Right now two methods have been employed to determine the top and bottom of the zone.

 

“ PITCHf/x originally used poorly paid “stringers” to sit in a dark room under the stands and manually turn a dial to set the top and bottom of the zone on the video image of the batter. Saunders reports that Statcast uses the previous calls of major league umpires to build a database of the top and bottom of the strike zone for each hitter.”

 

The automated zone is a result of the previous calls from human umpires. What happens after a few years and the data of previous calls isn’t available for many batters? Do we go back to humans setting it before each pitch?

 

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/37347/robo-strike-zone-not-simple-think/

 

I have doubts that Garver will see the automated zone in his career. The Twins would be wise to continue teaching and seeking this skill.

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An automated strike zone may be further away from the majors than we think. Baseball Prospectus wrote about all of the hurdles before it can be a useful tool.

One of the hurdles that had me most concerned is setting the top and bottom of the strike zone. Every plate appearance has a unique top and bottom of the strike zone depending on the height and stance of a batter.

Right now two methods have been employed to determine the top and bottom of the zone.

“ PITCHf/x originally used poorly paid “stringers” to sit in a dark room under the stands and manually turn a dial to set the top and bottom of the zone on the video image of the batter. Saunders reports that Statcast uses the previous calls of major league umpires to build a database of the top and bottom of the strike zone for each hitter.”

The automated zone is a result of the previous calls from human umpires. What happens after a few years and the data of previous calls isn’t available for many batters? Do we go back to humans setting it before each pitch?

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/37347/robo-strike-zone-not-simple-think/

I have doubts that Garver will see the automated zone in his career. The Twins would be wise to continue teaching and seeking this skill.

Very nice = thanks

 

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I am surprised that there isn't "radio" between the dugout and catcher/pitcher. Instead of the catcher looking to the dugout sometimes for a pitch call.

 

Errors. Happens if a bad throw from the catcher to a base which allows for an advancement of the runner. The passed ball is essentially an error, but still not an error unless a runner scores. It's when the catcher looks to have control but misses the ball. Yes, don't understand why NOT just call it for what it is.

 

Boy, not only does a catcher have to know all about a batter (as should the pitcher), but ahs to work in conjunction with the pitcher for a throwing plan. And what happens when a new pitcher comes in? Which is why you see more and more catchers lined-up with specific rotation arms.

 

Imagine doing the squats of a catcher, having to watch the game thru a mask, keeping the arm in shape to throw back 140 times to the mound. The catcher throws more pitches, per say, than the pitcher in a game. Just doesn't need the speed or pinpoint control.

 

I can live with the electronic umpire. So the catcher doesn't have to play the games with their glove so much. Maybe eliminate some wild pitches and passed balls, too.

 

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I am surprised that there isn't "radio" between the dugout and catcher/pitcher. Instead of the catcher looking to the dugout sometimes for a pitch call.

 

Errors. Happens if a bad throw from the catcher to a base which allows for an advancement of the runner. The passed ball is essentially an error, but still not an error unless a runner scores. It's when the catcher looks to have control but misses the ball. Yes, don't understand why NOT just call it for what it is.

 

Boy, not only does a catcher have to know all about a batter (as should the pitcher), but ahs to work in conjunction with the pitcher for a throwing plan. And what happens when a new pitcher comes in? Which is why you see more and more catchers lined-up with specific rotation arms.

 

Imagine doing the squats of a catcher, having to watch the game thru a mask, keeping the arm in shape to throw back 140 times to the mound. The catcher throws more pitches, per say, than the pitcher in a game. Just doesn't need the speed or pinpoint control.

 

I can live with the electronic umpire. So the catcher doesn't have to play the games with their glove so much. Maybe eliminate some wild pitches and passed balls, too.

Some really nice points - why don't more catchers have Tommy John surgery?  I would not want to be a catcher.

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